Sent Money for Item but no response from seller

[surfnturk]

I sent money to pay for an item advertised on here thru Paypal 5 days ago. I have not heard back from the seller after emails and phone call to him. All un-answered.
I'm at a loss on what to do. He asked me to not list it as a "sale" item on Paypal so I listed it as a gift, which means I have no recourse thru Paypal.

Any suggestions?

Thanks

[Greenlight]

Well, since you are in wait mode… Why don't you tell us about your goods or services?

[surfnturk]

Well, since you are in wait mode… Why don't you tell us about your goods or services?

I don't want to mention the person yet, but it was $135 for a pack. Maybe he's hiking or something.

[Pedaling Fool]

I've never used paypal, so this may be a dumb question, but why would someone ask not to list a sale as a sale on paypal?

[imscotty]

I've never used paypal, so this may be a dumb question, but why would someone ask not to list a sale as a sale on paypal?

It avoids the sellers charge. I would never agree to this. It is a clear indication that you are dealing with an unethical seller and you will have no protection from PayPal if things go bad.

[Pedaling Fool]

It avoids the sellers charge. I would never agree to this. It is a clear indication that you are dealing with an unethical seller and you will have no protection from PayPal if things go bad.

So this charge on a $135 transaction would have been around 4 bucks, right. Yeah, something fishy there....

[Rain Man]

It avoids the sellers charge. I would never agree to this. It is a clear indication that you are dealing with an unethical seller and you will have no protection from PayPal if things go bad.

Unethical seller AND unethical buyer.

My father taught me "show me someone who will cheat somebody else, and I'll show you somebody who will cheat you when the time comes."

Both of these people cheated PayPal, and I an NO fan of PayPal. I'm not even sure if this thread complies with the WB User Agreement as it's a discussion of how to do something illegal.

My father didn't teach me this, but as long as I'm in a harsh mode, I'll add another adage that's apropos--

Reputation is what you do when others are watching. Character is what you do when no one is watching.

Sadly, all this over a measly $4. Sigh. And even if the pack is in the mail, too.

[Pedaling Fool]

Unethical seller AND unethical buyer.

My father taught me "show me someone who will cheat somebody else, and I'll show you somebody who will cheat you when the time comes."

Both of these people cheated PayPal, and I an NO fan of PayPal.

I'm not sure if you're right or not, like I said I've never used paypal.

However, this charge (seems to me) is basically an insurance cost of preventing things like this from happening. However, paypal allows one to use a "gift" method that doesn't charge, so how are they cheating. Seems to me that you (as a buyer) are just taking a chance and the seller is the one that MAY be the unethical one or he's just a one really cheap dude.

But I could be missing something here....

[surfnturk]

Unethical seller AND unethical buyer.

My father taught me "show me someone who will cheat somebody else, and I'll show you somebody who will cheat you when the time comes."

Both of these people cheated PayPal, and I an NO fan of PayPal.

First

You don't know me and you insinuate I would cheat someone? What a condesending jerk

[HooKooDooKu]

Unethical seller AND unethical buyer.

only one of these is correct...

You don't know me and you insinuate I would cheat someone?

PayPal User Agreement section 4.1 states:

If you are selling goods or services, you may not ask the buyer to send you a Personal Payment for the purchase.

("Personal Payment" is PayPal legal speak for "gift" or "friends and family").

The seller asking the buyer to send money as a gift has violated the PayPal User Agreement. Sounds "unethical" to me.
The buyer was complicit in violating the PayPal User Agreement. That also sounds "unethical" to me.

Because the transaction was completed without following the User Agreement, PayPal was "cheated" of its rightful fee.

So what am I missing?

[surfnturk]

I'm not sure and I've use paypal dozens of times.

[JC13]

If you mark it as a gift, it gets around the 3% charge for transactions.

[Googan]

Essentially if you send it as friends and family you have no recourse if he decides to screw
you. Hopefully they're honest. Never ever send it friends and family unless it's going to friends and family

[surfnturk]

on 4/29/16 @ 16:24, he pm'd me "Let me know if your willing to go $135 since Im going to have to pay about $15 for shipping."
on 5/1/16 @ 3:49 I wrote "I'll do it. Sending money this am."
on 5/1/16 @ 3:53 I wrote "Money sent."

Havent heard from him since.

[Googan]

Is it a person with a lot of posts or is it a new member with 5 posts. Hopefully all goes well.

[surfnturk]

Is it a person with a lot of posts or is it a new member with 5 posts. Hopefully all goes well.

He has over 300 posts

[Greenlight]

Oh SMH - I was on my smartphone when I read your original post and thought you said you'd bought advertising space on WB and hadn't heard back. My bad. This is completely different. More than likely the person sent it, and then took off for a few days.

[surfnturk]

Oh SMH - I was on my smartphone when I read your original post and thought you said you'd bought advertising space on WB and hadn't heard back. My bad. This is completely different. More than likely the person sent it, and then took off for a few days.

That is what I'm hoping. However, he needs to acknowledge he did receive the payment and not leave me hanging, if that is indeed the case.
Extremely irresponsible no matter what.

[ogtheking]

I'm in a very similar situation, I made a purchase Saturday for a knife on a different forum for $450 and had the wrong email address. When I contacted PayPal they said they couldn't really help so I called my credit card company that my paypal is set up with and they are filing a dispute against the wrong individual because he went ahead and excepted the money. The credit card company has refunded my money back to me also. You might contact your credit card company and explain what's going on.


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[Googan]

It's a good thing that the individual has a lot of posts. It's a sign that they are a contributing member of the forum.