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The standard silnylon Notch with mesh inner (sil floor) is 27 oz , $314 .
So you pay an extra $335 to save 7 oz.
I did a comparison with a couple of Terra Nova shelters that also come out in silnylon and Cuben, their Cuben version, per oz saved, are more expensive.
(https://www.ultralightoutdoorgear.co.uk/terra-nova-m18)
If you buy the Notch Li with the silnylon floor mesh inner (instead of the DCF inner) , the weight goes up 2oz but you save $50.
On some nights, I was able to squeeze my less spacious Notch onto the only flat piece of ground for miles. I'm able to sleep, change clothes, take a sponge bath, read, and even set up a short clothesline to dry a piece of clothing overnight inside the Notch. My pack fit in the vestibule, my loose gear fit in the tent. I noticed a 10° temperature change from inside to outside the tent, so I suspect my body heat warms that small space efficiently. I'm only 5'10", and have no idea what I'd do with more space.
We all have different needs based on our hiking styles, height and what not. Just pointing out that more isn't always better.
Puddlefish makes a good point on the footprint of the shelters. I enjoy the room in my hexamid twin but it does indeed take a larger site and has, at times, been slightly problematic. One reason I haven't purchased the zpacks duplex is the even larger required land needed to pitch it.
I'm still rocking my TarpTent Contrail, and I too have found that its size is a serious constraint on the campsites that I can use. Working from memory, the Contrail is 9 feet long, so in practical terms I pretty much need a spot that's about 12 feet long and about 7 feet wide. I've squeezed into smaller spaces, but it's awkward as hell.
My Contrail only has about 3,000 miles on it, and I plan to do about 1,000 miles more in 2018. I'm guessing that I'll be buying something next off-season and it'll probably be a tent with a slightly shorter footprint.
Other than weight and cost, this tent has a lot of great things to offer. I hate that it's $650...because I'm probably going to order one anyway.
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I have a regular Notch and use it when a grand kid wants to go with me. It weighs in at 28 oz. Stated weight for the Notch Li is 19.9 oz. a difference of 8.1 oz. Regular Notch is $314.00 compared to $649.00 for the lighter Notch. A simple cost analysis comes out to $41.35 per oz. saved. I love my Notch but cannot justify $41.35 per oz. Here's hoping Henry can bring the price down in the future.
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Just to add to my comparison above (cost of sil vs DCF) another manufacturer that sells both has one with a 3 oz saving for $175, ($58 per oz) , another one is 5 oz less for $325 ( $65 per oz) another saves 7 oz for $435 ($62)
Sorry Franco, didn't mean to step on your toes ie message.
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I just noticed that "new for 2018" the silnylon Notch ALSO has zipper-less doors like the new Cuben version...yet it weighs the same as it did last year with zippers. Hmmm...
I agree with puddlefish; I like the size of the Notch. I like its features over the one person zpacks tents...so I will quite likely upgrade to the Notch Li if it remains available for a while - this broken collar bone is putting a damper on my income which leads to less spending. :/
Yes, but value is still a consideration. Between the 3 choices (Original Notch, Notch Li, Duplex) I’ll take the original. If the Notch Li had come in under the price of the Duplex it would have been worth it me, but since I have no desire or need for a tent over $400 the two dynema options just aren’t viable.
In pretty much every forum, where I have seen the Notch Li discussed, at least one person pointed out the cost per ounce saved. I have just replied that basically that is the cost and in fact the TT difference is smaller than with other manufacturers.
Some think that Cuben may come down in price but going by the increasing price of other fabrics ( like silnylon) I don't see that happening.
Henry really blew me away with the price point of this new campaign. It is his choice but when I saw the price I automatically gave that look like a just smelled a stinky fart but didn't understand where it had come from.
Don't want to keep banging on the zpacks drum but 1 last time...
Zpacks Duplex...21 oz for $600 for 2 person
Tarptent Notch Li.... 19.9 oz $649 for 1 person
I have a TT and a Duplex so I am not biased
Trail Miles: 5,125.9
AT Map 1: Completed 13-21'
Sheltowee Trace: Completed 20-23'
Pinhoti Trail: Completed 23-24'
GSMNP900: 134.7(16.8%)
Foothills Trail: 47.9
AT Map 2: 279.4
CDT: 210.9
BMT: 52.7
Zpacks Duplex...21 oz for $600 for 2 person............21 oz plus the weight of 8 stakes
Tarptent Notch Li.... 19.9 oz $649 for 1 person.........19.9 oz includes the weight of 4 stakes
Tarptent Notch Li approx 10 oz for the tarp without the inner net
Zpacks Duplex non removeable floor and netting..........
Tarptent Notch Potential to purchase Inner with semi solid walls for semi 4 season use
Zpacks Duplex not an option
Tarptent Notch Ability to replace inner, floor takes most of the wear
Zpacks Notch ? can always repair
Tarptent Notch set up in 2-3minutes minutes anyone with a Notch or Moment knows this
Zpacks Duplex 8 stakes to place and adjust
You may want to look at the Notch for its versatility........sort of like an adaptable "system" instead of a pure distinct solution OR you may not..............
It may be more comparable to products like
https://www.hyperlitemountaingear.co...ht-system.html
https://www.yamamountaingear.com/cub...rriform-sw-1p/
Merely trying to provide a slightly different way of looking at it..........
I'm not shopping for a tent, and cuben doesn't meet my value criteria yet anyway, but between this Notch Li and a Duplex - I'd much prefer the Notch for the floorless config option.
I converted over to a floorless pyramid w/ inner tent a couple years ago and find I adore the floorless config option (just fly and footprint) as a practical 'in between' being outside, and zipped up inside a bug net - don't need to remove boots or zip through doors to lie down or access gear; 90%+ bug barrier even w/ door latched open; and in the rain you can use a chair inside, have a giant cooking space, and even dig an indoor latrine.
I still use the solo inner tent for sleeping as I have creepy crawlie phobia while obliviously asleep, but in all but the worst mosquito conditions, the inner tent is collapsed and fly door latched open while I'm awake. I now find fixed floors and doors better at keeping me out, than the bugs out.
Just another $0.02 opinion.