Dangerous Coleman fuel cans/Methcooking

[Alligator]

This was in my inbox this morning. I thought I would pass it on to any trail maintainers. Please distribute widely, there are some pics included in the Word doc.



One-Pot Methamphetamine Cooks Pose New Danger

Law enforcement in Southern Illinois are reporting that they are finding full blown methamphetamine cooks taking place in Coleman fuel cans. The cans are testing positive for anhydrous ammonia and are under pressure causing problems, such as explosions and inhalation hazards. Inexperienced officers have picked these items up and moved them around without knowing the dangers involved in doing this.

This method began appearing late last spring in a few states (Washington, Arkansas, Mississippi and Florida) but it is now spreading elsewhere.

Methamphetamine cooks using the “one-pot” method combine the anhydrous ammonia (or fertilizer from which it is extracted), the pseudoephedrine tablets, water, and the reactive metal (ie. Lithium) into one container from the beginning of the process. The idea is to reduce the amount of time needed for the overall process. The danger to subjects and to law enforcement is due to the mixing of all of the ingredients in the one container. The concentration of products builds up the ether pressure within the sealed container to levels beyond which the containers were not built to withstand. The building pressure can create a rupture or bursting of the container exposing the ingredients within to the air. Beyond the damage from the bursting container, exposure of items such as lithium to the air then creates further explosive danger. The growing use of the one-pot method increases the danger to law enforcement and civilians from explosions, fires, and exposure to dangerous chemicals.

It is recommended that individuals who encounter what appears to be a “one-pot” cook take all proper precautions for fire and chemical explosions and do not approach the lab. Call law enforcement and BLM hazmat coordinator.

[The Solemates]

i still dont understand what "one-pot" means

[Alligator]

The "one-pot" appears to be the Coleman fuel can, into which all the ingredients are placed. While I have never cooked crystal meth, I believe that other methods involve several steps. This "one-pot" method seems to be new. I see it as a danger to hikers/maintainers because a lot of meth cooking goes on in National Forests and other remote areas. The residues from meth cooking are extremely caustic, and I would hate to see a trail maintainer being injured from what looks to be an ordinary fuel can.

[neo]

some of the place,s i hike in the cumberland mountains here in tenn.i hear
park rangers talking about making arrest in the parks,catching meth lab operations going on,also at vanderbuilt university were i work,there was
a write up in the news paper by a doctor in the burn unit,he said that over
30 percent of the paitents there are meth cookers and that society has
to foot the the bill,one patiant of his is there the secound time in less
than a year for extreme burns from meth lab explosion,i guess this fool will
never learn,society is stuck footing the bill for this butthole twice,the doctor said meth addicts are also tough patients to deal with, neo

[smokymtnsteve]

Free Meth!!!...we as a society should just give meth heads FREE METH..it would be cheaper to the general public in the long run and safer for everybody..HARM REDUCTION it's a better way!

[TOW]

This was in my inbox this morning. I thought I would pass it on to any trail maintainers. Please distribute widely, there are some pics included in the Word doc.



One-Pot Methamphetamine Cooks Pose New Danger

Law enforcement in Southern Illinois are reporting that they are finding full blown methamphetamine cooks taking place in Coleman fuel cans. The cans are testing positive for anhydrous ammonia and are under pressure causing problems, such as explosions and inhalation hazards. Inexperienced officers have picked these items up and moved them around without knowing the dangers involved in doing this.

This method began appearing late last spring in a few states (Washington, Arkansas, Mississippi and Florida) but it is now spreading elsewhere.

Methamphetamine cooks using the “one-pot” method combine the anhydrous ammonia (or fertilizer from which it is extracted), the pseudoephedrine tablets, water, and the reactive metal (ie. Lithium) into one container from the beginning of the process. The idea is to reduce the amount of time needed for the overall process. The danger to subjects and to law enforcement is due to the mixing of all of the ingredients in the one container. The concentration of products builds up the ether pressure within the sealed container to levels beyond which the containers were not built to withstand. The building pressure can create a rupture or bursting of the container exposing the ingredients within to the air. Beyond the damage from the bursting container, exposure of items such as lithium to the air then creates further explosive danger. The growing use of the one-pot method increases the danger to law enforcement and civilians from explosions, fires, and exposure to dangerous chemicals.

It is recommended that individuals who encounter what appears to be a “one-pot” cook take all proper precautions for fire and chemical explosions and do not approach the lab. Call law enforcement and BLM hazmat coordinator.

i'm teelling you this meth stuff is the most horrible drug invented. it's pure poison. you cannot trust an active meth user or cooker at all, they will stop at nothing to get what they need to make the junk. there was a kid here in chetopa, kansas two weeks ago busted for cooking, they found 7 mini labs in his house! he ran out the back door as the law entered the front, they chased him down the street and he turns and pulls a knife and begs them to shoot him. this small town ain't but 1200 people, give or take and there is a major meth problem here. i'm in total support to eradicate this junk from my community.........

i know what drugs are all about, i did my share at one time and i'm not against a good time. but this meth is a destructer of the family unit. i just read where some guy who was a paramedic down in texas got convicted for killing a state trooper while he begged him for his life because the cop pulled over to see what he was doing parked on the side of the road. he was cooking meth!? this drug has no mercy who it takes and who it destroys.

if you know someone who is on the junk, then do what you can to help them get off if they respond to your aid, but if not get yourself and your family totally clear from them and let them go thru their own hell and then if they survive they maybe able to come out of it if they have any brains left. even if they are a family member. call the law if you have to, don't hesitate......

wanderer

[SGT Rock]

Just saw a piece here on local TV about the problems they have with meth users in prison, apparently something in the chemicals that make meth strips the enamel off your teeth and most regular meth users end up with a mouth full of rotting teeth and breath that would kill small animals. The dentist for the local lock up ends up having to pull them by the dozens every week.

Wasn't meth invented by some well meaning person as a substitute to get people off heroin or something?

[Stoker53]

Free Meth!!!...we as a society should just give meth heads FREE METH..it would be cheaper to the general public in the long run and safer for everybody..HARM REDUCTION it's a better way!

Free pot, free crack, free heroin, free aerosol paint and lastly free alcohol and free tobacco ??????

Where do you draw the line? Age old agrugment.....

[Pencil Pusher]

Not free meth, bad idea. Not even legal meth. Amazing, the crazyness behind that crap.

[smokymtnsteve]

Not free meth, bad idea. Not even legal meth. Amazing, the crazyness behind that crap.

having meth illegal doesn't affect the crazyness behind that crap...the crazyness is still there and the prohibition of the chemical doesn't change that ...as a matter of fact the prohibition of meth increases the danger to the general public,,,i.e. the one pot cookers being found...cheaper and safer just to give meth heads thier meth..good, clean safer meth than home cooked and U have a greater oppourtunity to get the meth heaed into treatment .... having legal source of Meth would also reduce crime against the general public as addicts wouldn't have to steal to support ther habit.

[Frosty]

Free pot, free crack, free heroin, free aerosol paint and lastly free alcohol and free tobacco ??????

Where do you draw the line?

I draw the line at free Ramen noodles. There are some lines that should not be crossed.

[smokymtnsteve]

Just saw a piece here on local TV about the problems they have with meth users in prison, apparently something in the chemicals that make meth strips the enamel off your teeth and most regular meth users end up with a mouth full of rotting teeth and breath that would kill small animals. The dentist for the local lock up ends up having to pull them by the dozens every week.

Wasn't meth invented by some well meaning person as a substitute to get people off heroin or something?

another reason to supply clean meth to addicts,,

meth-amphetamine has been around for a long time...military has used it before and still does,...course the military has a good clean supply.


addicts are going to get meth...and will be getting it at some cost to society...what is the most cost effective way to get this addicts thier drug,,,certainly not by stealing and breaking out car windows....and endangering innocent folk with poorly run bootleg labs....better to have it legal and somewhat regulated ( as far as purity and safety)

[Smile]

McMeth Place?

Very interesting stuff here, interesting to hear another side.
So, do I understand this correctly that they use NEW coleman cannisters and mix in them, or partially used ones? Or ones that are trashed?

[Pencil Pusher]

That's insanity, Steve. That crap causes some serious dysfunction and you want to provide it FREE to the general population? Eff that. It shouldn't even be legal for the govt to tax the hell out of selling it to these effed up folks. Have you seen the crap that stuff is made of? Smoke ganja, big deal... it's a friggin plant. This crap is crazy chemicals that totally effs people up. Not even ganja should be free... taxed to all tarnation like cigs, sure.

[TOW]

Just saw a piece here on local TV about the problems they have with meth users in prison, apparently something in the chemicals that make meth strips the enamel off your teeth and most regular meth users end up with a mouth full of rotting teeth and breath that would kill small animals. The dentist for the local lock up ends up having to pull them by the dozens every week.

Wasn't meth invented by some well meaning person as a substitute to get people off heroin or something?

i heard it was invented by the japs for their kamakaze pilots?
wanderer

[stupe]

I think it was developed by Bayer , ( the aspirin folks) , as a decongestant and a stimulant. We used to snort it when I was a teenager. Some percentage of the horror stories you hear are just that: stories. I'm not recommending meth for recreational use, but there is a lot of propaganda and BS put out, part war on drugs, part just talk. Heroin and alcohol users have rotten teeth, too.( look at pictures of Keith Richards circa 1970's ). Paint sniffing destroys a lot of lives and whole communities, too. I bet that alcohol has killed more people than all the other drugs in the world. We have a romantic view of moonshining and bootlegging, but you could get shot coming across an illegal still in those same woods that they are cooking meth in nowadays.

[weary]

....I bet that alcohol has killed more people than all the other drugs in the world. We have a romantic view of moonshining and bootlegging, but you could get shot coming across an illegal still in those same woods that they are cooking meth in nowadays.

Nay, Tobacco is the deadliest drug.

[Frosty]

McMeth Place?

Brings a whole new connotation to Happy Meal, huh?

[Smile]

No kidding Frosty!

Just a short story....Paul Harvey did a bit on this recently on his "Rest of the Story" show, pretty interesting, apparently lots of kids as well as adults got real addicted to the stuff, Sears used to sell it in their catalogs as well, apparently in large containers - so you'd have plenty to get you and the family through the rough winters full of colds and coughs....

Stupe: I think it was developed by Bayer , ( the aspirin folks) , as a decongestant and a stimulant.

Heroin was first synthesised in 1874 by C.R.A. Wright, a British chemist working at St. Mary's Hospital Medical School, London. He had been experimenting with combining morphine with various acids....and 'discovered' diacetylmorphine.

Heinrich Dreser, of Bayer in Elberfeld, Germany, noticed that diacetylmorphine was more potent than morphine. Bayer registered Heroin (meaning 'heroic treatment' from the German word heroisch) as a trademark. From 1898 through to 1910 it was marketed as a non-addictive morphine substitute and cough medicine for children. As with Aspirin, Bayer lost some of its trademark rights to Heroin following World War I.
In 1914 the Harrison Narcotics Tax Act made it illegal to manufacture or possess heroin in the United States.

[Dances with Mice]

1. REI Atlanta won’t sell iodine water treatments because iodine’s an ingredient in Meth production.

2. Rural stores are prime targets for hold-ups and burglaries by meth addicts. Drug-related crime is not exclusive to big cities. Never has been, really.

Small stores in isolated areas, like near wilderness trails, are scared. Real scared. Some may decide the risk of being in business just isn’t worth it.

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