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    Quote Originally Posted by JAK View Post
    Don't shoot the messenger.
    these people are idiots and should be fined, but you go after the device. it makes no scene. hate to hear your opinion on guns. ??
    I'm so confused, I'm not sure if I lost my horse or found a rope.

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    This is really starting to catch on. Yuppie newbie hiker room service. Push a button and a helicopter crew brings you bottled water. I'm sure they believe they're entitled.
    That man is the richest whose pleasures are the cheapest. Henry David Thoreau

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    i don't agree with the panic button devices either. i think one has three levels of oh sht. one is call home, and everything is ok, one is some sort of distress, but not bad distress, and the other is panic, panic, panic. i think that is the "spot on" or "on spot" or what the heck ever it's called. that's better, but still kinda rediculous. as far as sueing the retailer, i'm sure some lawyer would take the case. can't really blame some company for preying on people's fears and making a buck. money's money.
    don't like logging? try wiping with a pine cone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAK View Post
    The people that sell such inappropriate technology should also be charged.
    I hate to say this, but I have to agree. If their product is causing a strain on limited public resources (in this case the rescues) then at some point they may need to bear part of the cost.
    Colorless green ideas sleep furiously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Many Walks View Post
    This is really starting to catch on. Yuppie newbie hiker room service. Push a button and a helicopter crew brings you bottled water. I'm sure they believe they're entitled.
    they have paid their taxes.
    don't like logging? try wiping with a pine cone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcasm the elf View Post
    I hate to say this, but I have to agree. If their product is causing a strain on limited public resources (in this case the rescues) then at some point they may need to bear part of the cost.
    You mean like people wrecking while talking on their cell phone...the cell phone company should pay the rescue bill?
    Come on....let stupidity take care of the problem...yes, natural selection works if given the chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAK View Post
    If they were really serious, they would sue the people that sell these devices.
    Maybe not sue..but maybe hold responsible and then let them collect from the customer.
    At first I was like "why did rescue come three times?" But I realized the actual calls to rescue are made by the service that sold/provides the panic button. Rescue has no way of knowing who they are responding to.
    And there should be no option not to be removed from the scene. You push it....you are going out.
    The trouble I have with campfires are the folks that carry a bottle in one hand and a Bible in the other.
    You never know which one is talking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jim adams View Post
    you mean like people wrecking while talking on their cell phone...the cell phone company should pay the rescue bill?
    Come on....let stupidity take care of the problem...yes, natural selection works if given the chance.

    Geek
    thank you......
    I'm so confused, I'm not sure if I lost my horse or found a rope.

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    in no way should the company be held liable. It's the operator of the product that misused a public service, not the manufacturer of said product.
    ...God's Country, and Scotch.

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    a good pr move, for companies that produce panic button devices, would be to give a percentage of profits to some search and rescue organization, very publicly of course.
    don't like logging? try wiping with a pine cone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TallShark View Post
    in no way should the company be held liable. It's the operator of the product that misused a public service, not the manufacturer of said product.
    your right. also this is a very, very helpful tool for small plane pilots (that is what it was made for)
    I'm so confused, I'm not sure if I lost my horse or found a rope.

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    Citizens should be permitted to carry hand guns, rifles, and shot guns,
    but not hand grenades, land mines, or weapons of mass destruction.

    Just saying idiots will always exist,
    but the problem could be mitigated with better technology.

    No emergency beacons to novices with some communications capability.

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    I meant to say:
    No emergency beacons to novices WITHOUT some communications capability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Adams View Post
    You mean like people wrecking while talking on their cell phone...the cell phone company should pay the rescue bill?
    Come on....let stupidity take care of the problem...yes, natural selection works if given the chance.

    geek
    You make a good point.

    What i was really trying to say is that is bugs me that some of these companies make a product which costs the public thousands of dollars each time it's used as intended, and that they don't have any responsibility for this cost.

    You all are probably right that giving the bill to the idiot that sends out the distress call because they are scared of a thunder storm would probably be the better option.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAK View Post
    Citizens should be permitted to carry hand guns, rifles, and shot guns,
    but not hand grenades, land mines, or weapons of mass destruction.

    Just saying idiots will always exist,
    but the problem could be mitigated with better technology.

    No emergency beacons to novices with some communications capability.
    i have a 911 system in my apt building. kids pulled the pulls and I, I got fined. 5K later and a video system the fines stopped.
    you use the word "novice"? is there a class for this?
    FINE THE IDIOTS FOR MISUSE
    why didn't they just use the help button. (sorry, you didn't know it had a help button.)
    I'm so confused, I'm not sure if I lost my horse or found a rope.

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    if i pulled the pin on the emergency locator beacon that i have for work, for no good reason, I would get my ass whipped and then fired. period. same for them. someone hits the panic button for some bottled water, and the rescue group gets to take turns taking out frustrations. figure out who gets paid by whom later. first, the search and rescue team is going to split any cash and take a trip to the bar on any credit cards found on said morons.
    don't like logging? try wiping with a pine cone.

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    I think Spot os a good device, but only in the hands on experianced and responsible hikers.. I have seen many instances where it has benefited someones life. But yes, There are Morons out there. If it wasnt Spot, they would have just dialed 911 on the cell phone.. So is 911 stupid technology too?

    But these hikers activating Spot because they were unsure of the water was pur pathetic...What dumb yuppies...
    "So what if theres a mountain, get over it!!!" - Graywolf, 2010

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    The device should only work once.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAK View Post
    Citizens should be permitted to carry hand guns, rifles, and shot guns,
    but not hand grenades, land mines, or weapons of mass destruction.

    Just saying idiots will always exist,
    but the problem could be mitigated with better technology.

    No emergency beacons to novices with some communications capability.
    How am I supposed to take down a deer at 3000m without a fly-by-wire missile?

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    Quote Originally Posted by general View Post
    they have paid their taxes.
    Not that it really matters regarding a rescue, but how would you possibly know they've paid taxes?


    I don't know that they've paid any taxes, but it does appear they are teaching the next generation how to be more dependent on the government for things they should be responsible for themselves. Not good considering the problems this country is facing. These folks will be pretty helpless in a really serious situation.
    That man is the richest whose pleasures are the cheapest. Henry David Thoreau

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