Alright, just one more time…

[Pedaling Fool]

Please explain to me the reason for packing out TP? I don’t get it. I can see the rational for packing out feces and TP – I absolutely don’t agree, but I can see the rationale. However, I just don’t get the packing out TP.

I’ve heard some say it’s to prevent the animals from getting a hold of it and spreading disease, blah, blah, blah. However, if you believe that, then why not pack everything out, not just the TP?

ALSO,

Did someone do a crap burying experiment to determine the six-inch rule?
I don’t believe burying your waste 6 inches will keep animals away, because the soil on the AT is very porous (especially after digging through), they’ll easily sniff it out, but who cares, that’s what animals do, that’s why they’re animals.

[snowhoe]

Please explain to me the reason for packing out TP? I don’t get it. I can see the rational for packing out feces and TP – I absolutely don’t agree, but I can see the rationale. However, I just don’t get the packing out TP.

I’ve heard some say it’s to prevent the animals from getting a hold of it and spreading disease, blah, blah, blah. However, if you believe that, then why not pack everything out, not just the TP?

ALSO,

Did someone do a crap burying experiment to determine the six-inch rule?
I don’t believe burying your waste 6 inches will keep animals away, because the soil on the AT is very porous (especially after digging through), they’ll easily sniff it out, but who cares, that’s what animals do, that’s why they’re animals.

I am in agrement with John. There is NO reason to carry out TP and poop. And let alone pee. That is just dumb.

[Lone Wolf]

I am in agrement with John. There is NO reason to carry out TP and poop. And let alone pee. That is just dumb.

on the AT for sure

[Safari]

packing out pee...?????!!!!! Sheesh

[johnnybgood]

packing out pee...?????!!!!! Sheesh

Is that what that Platypiss is for ?

[Blissful]

packing out pee...?????!!!!! Sheesh

I only heard of doing that extreme in pristine caves out west.

Someone ought to tell the deer in Shenandoah not to do business in the stream...
I saw it once.

[emerald]

Someone ought to tell the deer in Shenandoah not to do business in the stream...

Before you get yourself all riled up about it, consider that deer may have had a permit from NPS to do business in the park!

[emerald]

Since no one has posted any regulations or guidelines from any AT resource management agency or any related research, I thought I'd add my 2¢ to the pile too until I remembered reading somewhere it costs more than 2¢ to produce 2 cents.

By the time we're finished amassing nothing but personal opinions based in most cases upon convenience, we are sure to have created something worth reading once again. Why not just poll the membership as to what each person does, it would accomplish more.

[Manwich]

There's a ton of crap-covered TP up in Harriman / Bear Mtn along the AT.

Animals Dig up TP and wind blows it around.

[Frosty]

There's a ton of crap-covered TP up in Harriman / Bear Mtn along the AT.

Animals Dig up TP and wind blows it around.

Until it rains and then it just sits there, ugly as all get out.

Lots of places on lots of trails have white flower gardens of toilet paper blossums. Never mind packing it out, at least get out of sight of the trail or shelter.

But my favorite is people who take care to bury their waste and TP in the snow.

[Mrs Baggins]

I have to agree as well. Why is it okay for animals to do it in the woods but not us? I'm not packing out anything like that. Ever. "Hey, what's in your pack?" "Oh the usual. Stove, sleeping bag, food, zip lock bag full of used s*** covered tp."

[hikingtime]

I like to dig a hole, go, and then burn the toilet paper in the hole. Then I fill in the hole. Works well for me.
I hate when people leave their toilet paper on the ground. I'm not sure what they are thinking, but I have seen that a lot.

[Buzz_Lightfoot]

I like to dig a hole, go, and then burn the toilet paper in the hole. Then I fill in the hole. Works well for me.
I hate when people leave their toilet paper on the ground. I'm not sure what they are thinking, but I have seen that a lot.

Unfortunately, some people are just slobs. I stayed at a shelter last weekend and right behind the shelter was a pile a dung and a lot of TP. 20 feet more in that direction was a nice privy. Sigh.

[johnnybgood]

I wish all hikers were as conscience about the 6 inch rule as they should be but unfortunately they're not.
Like Buzz I too have seen human feces where it didn't belong , not more than six inches off the trail with tp nearby.
Now that I think of it , maybe they misinterpreted the 6 rule.

What's the old saying ....you can't fix stupid.

[CowHead]

I used those biodegradable wipes from wally world dig a cat hold and drop them in

[Wise Old Owl]

Hey it needed to be said I am still waiting for Water Soluble Camo colored TP!

I would buy it.

[Lone Wolf]

Hey it needed to be said I am still waiting for Water Soluble Camo colored TP!

I would buy it.

http://www.productdose.com/article.php?article_id=6567

[Tin Man]

where's weasy when ya need him?... he volunteers to pack out your poo... without even asking... the problem is that would suggest you hike with him... "that's okay weasy, my poo will be just fine wherever i dump it"

[dperry]

Here is the direct quote from the ATC website (emphasis mine):

No one should venture onto the A.T. without a trowel, used for digging a 6"-8" deep "cathole" to bury waste. Bury feces at least two hundred feet or seventy paces away from water, trails, or shelters. Use a stick to mix dirt with your waste, which hastens decomposition and discourages animals from digging it up. Used toilet paper should either be buried in your cathole or carried out in a sealed plastic bag. Hygiene products such as sanitary napkins should always be carried out.

So it seems that they considering burying acceptable, as long as it's deep enough.

[The Weasel]

where's weasy when ya need him?... he volunteers to pack out your poo... without even asking... the problem is that would suggest you hike with him... "that's okay weasy, my poo will be just fine wherever i dump it"

Five reasons to pack out TP:

1) Even properly buried, it doesn't degrade, even if the ground is moist, for up to 10 years. In dry/rocky areas, it may not degrade ever.

2) Even when buried, animals will often dig it (and feces) up for the food value. (Small mammals such as squirrels, raccoons and oppossums are most likely to do so.) The paper then gets spread to the winds.

3) When burned, only the unused portion gets burned. The rest remains. See ##1 and 2.

4) Human waste can spread human-carried pathogens when not buried at least 200 feet from water sources, as is often the case, and thereby add to the oral-fecal disease chain.

5) It is directly contrary to 'pack-it-in-pack-it-out' LNT principles. It is no more "green" to bury toilet paper than to bury any other kind of paper or trash/waste.

Yes, I usually pack out my solid waste and toilet paper: It is easy - actually, easier than finding a place and then digging a cathole -, simple and, when done properly (and because of its simplicity, almost impossible of National Parks, and is an environmentally wise thing to do.

Glad to be here for you, TinBoy.

TW