Long live Vitamin i !

[hopefulhiker]

Ibuprofen beats 2 other painkillers

LINDSEY TANNER

Associated Press

Deciding which medicine to give a child in pain just got easier: The first head-to-head study of three common painkillers found that ibuprofen works best, at least for kids with broken bones, bruises and sprains.
Available generically and under the brand names Advil and Motrin, ibuprofen beat generic acetaminophen and codeine in an emergency room study of 300 children treated at a Canadian hospital.
The youngsters, ages 6 to 17, were randomly assigned to receive standard doses of one of the three medicines. They then periodically rated their pain. Half an hour later, ratings were similar in the three groups. But starting an hour after taking the medicine, children who got ibuprofen reported substantially greater pain relief than the other two groups.
Children rated their pain on a 100-point scale before and after taking the medicine. At 60 minutes afterward, scores for children who got ibuprofen had dropped 24 points, compared with 12 points for the acetaminophen group and 11 points for the codeine group. The differences remained at 120 minutes.
Also at 60 minutes, about half the ibuprofen children reported what doctors considered "adequate" pain relief, or scores below 30, compared with 40 percent of the codeine children and 36 percent of the acetaminophen group.
The study was done at Children's Hospital of Eastern Ontario in Ottawa, and a research institute at the hospital funded the study. Results appear in the March edition of Pediatrics, being released today.
Puzzled Parents
For parents, choosing a painkiller for children can be confusing, partly because acetaminophen and ibuprofen both work against fevers.
Codeine does too, but it's a mild narcotic available only by prescription.

Associated Press

[Jan LiteShoe]

Ibuprofen beats 2 other painkillers

LINDSEY TANNER

Associated Press

Deciding which medicine to give a child in pain just got easier: The first head-to-head study of three common painkillers found that ibuprofen works best, at least for kids with broken bones, bruises and sprains.

Ha! I could have told them that!

Ode to Ibuprofen:
Ibuprofen and I are one!
I could not have moved without ibuprofen.
Ibuprofen got me to Katahdin.


That said, you do have to pay strict atention to your hydration.
An not take ibu and Tylenol together - it will eat your liver up!

Long live ibu!
Ibuprofen, my good friend.

[Outlaw]

you do have to pay strict atention to your hydration. An not take ibu and Tylenol together - it will eat your liver up!

Good suggestions. I also suggest taking it with some food (or milk) to avoid getting an upset stomach. It may not occur on a 1x dose, but if you are taking it over a course of days, I have found that it can upset your stomach pretty easily.

[Jan LiteShoe]

Good suggestions. I also suggest taking it with some food (or milk) to avoid getting an upset stomach. It may not occur on a 1x dose, but if you are taking it over a course of days, I have found that it can upset your stomach pretty easily.

Good point.
I thought of one other thing - I took "ibu holidays" to give my stomach a rest. Ibuprofen is not the greatest thing taken over the long term, much as I adore the joint-easing effects. Usually those holidays were my zero, nero or easy-milage/terrain days.
I ALWAYS noticed the difference!

[SkeeterPee]

An not take ibu and Tylenol together - it will eat your liver up!

I do not believe this is correct, perhaps for some people or depending on other medications, but it is often recommended to take both if you have a high fever. Tylenol is cleared by the liver and ibuprofen is cleared by the kidneys. Check with your doctor/pharmacist.

[Sarcasm the elf]

I do not believe this is correct, perhaps for some people or depending on other medications, but it is often recommended to take both if you have a high fever. Tylenol is cleared by the liver and ibuprofen is cleared by the kidneys. Check with your doctor/pharmacist.

I have been advised of the same by healthcare professionals, use acetaminophen and ibuprofen concurrently to knock down a bad fever. Of course as you say, check with your doctor, I'm just a random person on the internet.

[Frolicking Dinosaurs]

With the sorts of injuries I've had, I know a lot about anti-inflamatory drugs at high doses over a long period. The best thing I found for tummy protection was dairy with fat - things like ice cream, creamed cottage cheese, a fruit smoothie made with 1/2 cup of cream.... on the trail, I have eaten hunks of cheese and added olive oil to pudding made with powdered milk to keep it from irritating my tummy, but I not done a lot of backpacking overnights since the accident because I was extemely limited on what I could carry until recently.

[Sailing_Faith]

Just a heads up.... a little more about vitamin “I”....

http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/08/health/ibuprofen-male-fertility-study/index.html?sr=twCNN010818ibuprofen-male-fertility-study0332PMStoryGal

[swjohnsey]

Good/bad news. Recent study found it might cause infertility in men.

[Sarcasm the elf]

Good/bad news. Recent study found it might cause infertility in men.

Introducing new Advil migraine plus birth control.

[RockDoc]

Careful with that drug, or any NSAID... Reserve for severe acute use only.

Your problem is not a shortage of pharmaceuticals in your body. Better to let your body heal naturally. It does that by inflammation and other processes that NSAIDS interrupt.

[Dogwood]

Careful with that drug, or any NSAID... Reserve for severe acute use only.

Your problem is not a shortage of pharmaceuticals in your body...

+1


An anti-inflammatory lifestyle should be goal # 1. Inflammation is at the root of much pain.


Flippantly referring to an OTC pain pill - a drug - as a vitamin is symptomatic of an ill-informed and pill addicted culture misguided by a incorrigible medical system fanatic about prescribing drugs,

[Puddlefish]

Careful with that drug, or any NSAID... Reserve for severe acute use only.

Your problem is not a shortage of pharmaceuticals in your body. Better to let your body heal naturally. It does that by inflammation and other processes that NSAIDS interrupt.

Very much this. Inflammation is the trigger that convinces your ligaments to heal.

[LDog]

Very much this. Inflammation is the trigger that convinces your ligaments to heal.

Right, let the body create its own anti-inflammatories when the time is right. Rest, ice, compression, elevation. Smallest effective dose of Tylenol that lets me sleep. Hit it with ibuprophen if inflammation does not dissipate in a few days. Taking ibuprofen daily for extended periods of time is a kidney killer.

L Dog

[TexasBob]

Right, let the body create its own anti-inflammatories when the time is right. Rest, ice, compression, elevation. Smallest effective dose of Tylenol that lets me sleep. Hit it with ibuprophen if inflammation does not dissipate in a few days. Taking ibuprofen daily for extended periods of time is a kidney killer. L Dog

Where do you get ice while hiking?

[LDog]

Where do you get ice while hiking?

Most anywhere right now. Last time I needed it real bad, I got it at Ron Haven’s Budget Inn!


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[AllDownhillFromHere]

Ibuprofen is great, until it wrecks your stomach.

[colorado_rob]

Ibuprofen is great, until it wrecks your stomach.

I've been using V-I off and on for decades, no stomach problems whatsoever. I assume any "stomach problems" would include some sort of symptom?

That being said, when I had my first colonoscopy 5 years ago (I know, I was "late" doing this...) they did find a small ulcer in my colon... doc said it might be because of V-I. The test was right after a very long hike with more than usual V-I use.

So yeah, take this stuff sparingly if you can, I try to limit to 3 tabs a day when on long hikes and like said below, take "V-I holidays" on neros or other short easy days. I also cross-train more these days with swimming, biking, skiing and kayaking, none of which I currently need any meds to enjoy. I hike a bit less except on long hikes, but long distance hiking is still #1 on my fun-O-meter.

But if it comes down to hiking with it or not hiking at all, fugedaboudid. The overall benefits of a very active lifestyle swamp the down side of NSAIDs. My doc agrees.

I've tried a bunch of "natural remedies", none work for me. The only one that comes close is taking Turmeric, there is a hint of benefit there, I've been experimenting with Turmeric and a lower dose of V-I.

[Malto]

I've been using V-I off and on for decades, no stomach problems whatsoever. I assume any "stomach problems" would include some sort of symptom?

That being said, when I had my first colonoscopy 5 years ago (I know, I was "late" doing this...) they did find a small ulcer in my colon... doc said it might be because of V-I. The test was right after a very long hike with more than usual V-I use.

So yeah, take this stuff sparingly if you can, I try to limit to 3 tabs a day when on long hikes and like said below, take "V-I holidays" on neros or other short easy days. I also cross-train more these days with swimming, biking, skiing and kayaking, none of which I currently need any meds to enjoy. I hike a bit less except on long hikes, but long distance hiking is still #1 on my fun-O-meter.

But if it comes down to hiking with it or not hiking at all, fugedaboudid. The overall benefits of a very active lifestyle swamp the down side of NSAIDs. My doc agrees.

I've tried a bunch of "natural remedies", none work for me. The only one that comes close is taking Turmeric, there is a hint of benefit there, I've been experimenting with Turmeric and a lower dose of V-I.

I am a recover Vitamin Iaholic. For the reasons you mention I have also cut back and have been playing with turmeric as well.

[colorado_rob]

I am a recover Vitamin Iaholic. For the reasons you mention I have also cut back and have been playing with turmeric as well.

I really do think Turmeric helps, I might try to do a controlled little study, but I'm fairly sure 2 tabs (400mg) of V-I along with a couple Turmeric tablets a day gets me by, whereas I needed three V-I tabs in the past to reduce the pain to comfortable levels.

Tylenol does zero for my hiking pains. Is it even an anti-imflam?

I'm jealous of and very happy for those that do not need NSAIDs to hike long distances in comfort! Ice doesn't do much at all for my particular pains, we're all quite different. Rest and elevation? Sure. That (the rest part) means an 8-month AT thru for many of us.... I do stretch and elevate in the evenings on the trail.. Not sure it does much for me, but it feels good at the time.

BTW, I did a bit more research, and it appears that Naproxen (alieve) is a bit more risky for Kidney issues than V-I.

For those of us that do have to use this Wonder Drug, I do highly recommend regular blood tests. I get one free one a year with my yearly physical, and get an additional one at 6-months for about $100 (online voucher, but at the same lab). This gives me great comfort that my kidneys are just fine. For now....