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    Quote Originally Posted by Dogwood View Post
    You have a valid concern but you're off to asking the wrong question without the correct details from the onset. This leads to confusion in itself never mind marketing hype. The REI HD Plus 2 was manufactured for several yrs. Determine what yr you're inquiring about first. Different yrs versions can vary in wt and other specs.

    Next, as an evolved ULer and sometimes SULer the minute I read gear, like tents, specked with a Minimum Trail Wt and Packaged Wt it's a marketing red flag IMO. If I have to search for how these wts are defined IN DETAIL it makes me even more leery. I tend to pass. This is why I much prefer to buy gear where wt is of high priority within a very narrow margin of wt error from those who only do UL gear like small UL cottage gear companies that display transparency in details and track records of delivering as marketed. i.e.; MLD, ULA, Gossamer Gear, Snow Peak, SMD, Zpacks, etc. But even Patagonia, Arcteryx, Marmot, Snow Peak, McHale, WM, FF, etc with conventional and light wt gear as well as their "UL" versions display excellency in these regards.
    Yep, buy from cottage UL gear makers because they know that for the majority of their customers the first step is to put it on a scale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NJH View Post
    I just weighed my 2016 REI Half Dome 2 Plus and it weighs 5.5 oz. That includes original stuff stack, rain fly, tent, poles and stakes (I am not sure if the stakes are the ones that came with the tent).
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    5.5 oz wow lighter then my hexamid ;0)
    Those are the new ones made from Helium-Carbon nano lattice and Unobtainium.

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    Buy from smaller "cottage" backpacking gear manufacturers and you will usually be within half an ounce of advertised weight. Most things I buy from MLD, Zpacks, etc come slightly under the listed weight. Also, if you email them and ask for specs, they'll gladly give you accurate info your looking for.

    If I bought an expensive backpacking shelter/pack that weighed in 2-3 oz over it's specified weight. I'd probably return it.

    Not because I'm ocd or slowly learning ultralight techniques.

    But it's not what I paid for. And I dont mind paying for what I'm looking for.

    For instance Hyperlight Mtn Gear specs their gear to the .xx second decimal place. The lightweight gear manufacturers know their customers take gear weight seriously.




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    Sorry to hear that, I weighed mine before I commented on the thread when you were looking. Maybe my scale is really off? That or they changed something in the three years since I bought mine.
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    I concur with much of what's been said. My BA Fly Creek UL2 'as packaged' weight is understated, while my cottage industry gear (SMD and JRB) is very close.

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    Better question is why buy gear that is so dang heavy even at the advertised weight?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maineiac64 View Post
    Better question is why buy gear that is so dang heavy even at the advertised weight?
    Price vs. Weight.
    There budget constraints.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maineiac64 View Post
    Better question is why buy gear that is so dang heavy even at the advertised weight?
    Yup! When someone is buying a 2 P tent at 5+ lbs it's not exactly light and certainly not UL wt by current UL standards when compared to what's available in a 3 season 2 P tent. That pt in itself is known by manufacturers despite any nonsensical marketing. Manufacturers with those wt 3 season 2 p tents damn well know most folks who are oz anal or UL advanced will not likely be putting it on a scale...because they wouldn't be buying it! You're barking up the wrong "UL" tree. Go elsewhere for truer gear wts. The wt discrepancies you speak of beyond what wt was advertised are atrocious. You're bringing this on yourself.

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    For a little more $ there are literally pounds that can be saved here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maineiac64 View Post
    Better question is why buy gear that is so dang heavy even at the advertised weight?
    Thank you for saying it. It takes all my powers of self control not to launch into a UL screed.

    At those weights, +6oz here and +4oz there doesn't mean much anyway. (On UL forums I'd have to brace for impact after saying that lol)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatchee View Post
    My new cookpot is 5oz over advertised weight.
    What brand and model cookpot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by fastfoxengineering View Post
    If I bought an expensive backpacking shelter/pack that weighed in 2-3 oz over it's specified weight, I'd probably return it.
    Can you imagine if customers were allowed/expected/could get away with sending companies a few dollars less than what the agreed terms were?

    No? Welcome to American "capitalism".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maineiac64 View Post
    Better question is why buy gear that is so dang heavy even at the advertised weight?
    Wayne answered it perfectly: Price vs. Weight. There budget constraints

    I'm replacing a MHW Trango 2 @ 9lbs 13 oz with a tent that should weigh around 5lbs on sale for less than $100. Do I care about 4+ lbs....YEP, but I'm not a UL fanatic. I've taken my base from 35lbs to a couple of ounces under 24lbs while spending around $200 total. I'm perfectly happy with that and I fully understand that those weights will make some of your heads explode.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rain Man View Post
    Can you imagine if customers were allowed/expected/could get away with sending companies a few dollars less than what the agreed terms were?

    No? Welcome to American "capitalism".
    Where is the like button?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rain Man View Post
    Can you imagine if customers were allowed/expected/could get away with sending companies a few dollars less than what the agreed terms were?

    No? Welcome to American "capitalism".
    but they are giving you "more" for your money

    if you get it and it weighs more, send them a few extra bucks

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