atcamp.org

[rickb]

A lot of effort went into this.....

https://atcamp.org/

[LittleRock]

Interesting. I like the concept, but it's not really useful until people start using it. That will take time.

[Gambit McCrae]

Interesting for planning but I think it will be under utilized by large margins...

[Just Tom]

Our Boy Scout Troop has been using it for about a year, as soon as it went public.

[Sarcasm the elf]

Our Boy Scout Troop has been using it for about a year, as soon as it went public.

My first thought was that this could be very useful for groups.

[Just Tom]

In theory it is a great tool. One of my biggest fears when we do our AT trips is showing up to a group site and having it already occupied. Having the reservation won't solve that if no one uses the system, but we print it and bring it anyway just in case it would help convince the occupants at least let us squeeze in too. At least CT has designated group sites though, I know many (most? all others?) don't. That helps us as a troop.

[linus72]

the main benefit of it is to prevent overcrowding at a site. so if someone registers for a site like a troop for instance, and another troop goes in to register to stay there they will see that there are already say 10 people there, so it might be a better idea to pick a different site so everyone has a pleasant and not overcrowded experience... and minimize impact to the site as much as possible. other than these scout groups and a few others it hasn't really taken off quite yet.

[QuietStorm]

I just used it for the first time. I like the concept and hope it helps over time to reduce the impact on the trail and shelters.


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[Starchild]

I just used it for the first time. I like the concept and hope it helps over time to reduce the impact on the trail and shelters.


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For better or worse it seems like it's a further step towards smartphone usage on the trail and perhaps reserving as one goes. It's not there y-e-t, but could easily be implemented in this vein. I'm sure I am not the only one who thought if there was a app for that, and perhaps that is part of the thought process long term.

Also I do wonder if people will use it to see where the crowds are at, not to avoid crowds but to join them. Thru hikers are often very communal and know each other and form a traveling community, part of the 'modern' thru hiking experience.

[Slugg]

I used this for the first time a couple months ago. I wouldn't use it to definitively plan, as in counting on a shelter to be open because it's not reserved, but at least this can help you know which places will DEFINITELY be full.

[Just Tom]

IIRC, this was *only* for Groups in early 2017 when we first used it.

[bayview]

Problem with groups like Scouts, the leaders are pompous and don’t follow rules. We ran into one group last year on a section hike from 19E to Erwin. The guy had his kids spread all over without regard to the scouting patrol method. Invaded other people’s space and did not practice LNT

As a former Scout Master and an Eagle Scout I was embarrassed for scouting

[Just Tom]

Heck, we even split up our scouts into crews of 8 or less (plus two adults) and run them on entirely different sections to ensure we follow guidelines and don't overwhelm a site.

[greentick]

Interesting. I got a pile of kids, this could be useful. I don't get over to the ATC site often, thanks for pointing this out.

[Sarcasm the elf]

Heck, we even split up our scouts into crews of 8 or less (plus two adults) and run them on entirely different sections to ensure we follow guidelines and don't overwhelm a site.

I really do wonder if I’ve bumped into you and your troop on trail over the years.

[Just Tom]

Our troop is just into its 5th year in existence, but we do hit the AT twice a year as a troop, typically in June and September (not always in CT though). Occasionally a subset might be out for specific requirements separate from that. I actually ran into Gambit when he was passing through CT a couple of years ago!

My guess is there are a number of really good troops doing good work and teaching good things on the trail in our corner of the AT (and elsewhere). I know we have bumped into many other troops. No offense to the poster earlier, but I'm saddened by the overgeneralized statements about the poor quality of scouting. Even the worst troop someone sees is still doing great things for the youth, and the leaders are expending hundreds or even thousands of volunteer hours each year with no reward other than the impact they can make. I'm only an ASM and I probably put in 60 hours a month, the scout master is easily over a 100. (Sorry everyone for the rant).

[LittleRock]

I'm saddened by the overgeneralized statements about the poor quality of scouting. Even the worst troop someone sees is still doing great things for the youth, and the leaders are expending hundreds or even thousands of volunteer hours each year with no reward other than the impact they can make. I'm only an ASM and I probably put in 60 hours a month, the scout master is easily over a 100. (Sorry everyone for the rant).

A scout troop is only as good as its leadership allows it to be (I'm an Eagle Scout myself). I've seen both troops with very good leadership and well disciplined scouts (camped 200 ft away from an AT shelter, and I barely even noticed they were there), and troops with very poor leadership and undisciplined scouts (leaders stayed in an AT shelter, scouts camped all around it, and I moved on). Sounds like your troop is more like the former. :-)

[BuckeyeBill]

This is similar to the departure registration that the ATC started a few years back. As linus72 mentioned, it was a was to prevent over crowding on the trail especially during the popular dates to start. Then the ATC started asking hikers to consider flip-flop hikes as a manner to prevent over crowding. These are all great ideas IMO as I am not a big fan of large groups or the "party crowd".

[Cosmo]

AT Camp in it's present form is intended for groups. It is not a RESERVATION, but a REGISTRATION which helps folks like me (Overnight Site Caretakers, Ridgerunners, Shelter Adopters, etc) manage Trail use in our area.
We can:
--Reach out to the group before their hike and provide info and advice and review regulations (if any).
--Meet the group at the site and provide some educational opportunities about how to visit the AT responsibly and with respect.
--Avoid having two groups plan on visiting the same site on the same night.
--Suggest alternative itineraries if the group is considering a site with limited capacity.
--Gather real-life data about campsite and trail use to inform future management decisions.

Groups are often the way youngsters first experience the AT and living out doors. We want their experience to be positive, as they are potential future stewards of the Trail. We also want to reduce any negative impacts that groups could have on the experience of other hikers. Expertly led groups are an important future Trail resource--poorly led ones degrade the Trail for everyone else.

Group use is a big deal on the Trail (in New England, anyway). One camp in Mass has 44 nights scheduled between July and mid-August. College groups are at nearly every campsite in Mass, CT and S. VT the first week in September. Through my volunteer work, I have about 12 encounters with scouts, school and camp groups on the AT in Mass every year (there are other volunteers and paid RR that have a similar level of contact). Generally, one or two are pretty negative, most are great. Unfortunately, the ones we don't get to meet are the ones that seem to have the most negative impacts, and we never get an opportunity to have that conversation.

A good group experience begins with good management and planning from the "office", and finishes with good management from the leaders in the field. If leaders disrespect regulations and recommendations (group size, quiet hours, tenting instead of in the shelter, dishwashing, food storage, etc), it sets a poor example to the participants, who then continue in that now validated behavior in their future Trail visits.

Please encourage any outing groups you are aware of to use AT Camp--at present, it's the best tool we have to connect with this important segment of Trail visitors.

Cosmo

A scout troop is only as good as its leadership allows it to be (I'm an Eagle Scout myself). I've seen both troops with very good leadership and well disciplined scouts (camped 200 ft away from an AT shelter, and I barely even noticed they were there), and troops with very poor leadership and undisciplined scouts (leaders stayed in an AT shelter, scouts camped all around it, and I moved on). Sounds like your troop is more like the former. :-)

[Just Tom]

I observe the website was upgraded with sections for thru hikers and section hikers, but I have not explored those links to see what, if any, registration options are are in there for them.

I agree the site is a great tool for group planning. But I do have a complaint in regards to the college groups, since my experience so far is they are not using the same system. I could be wrong, but as I mentioned we have used this system the moment it was opened and we have never selected a site that already had a group registered but we have definitely had college groups at the site when we arrived.