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    Quote Originally Posted by Coffee View Post
    ...I will note that the pack liner I purchased from them failed after probably 30-40 days of hiking. It developed pinholes that I couldn't see but my pack got saturated because my cover also failed and the pack liner leaked badly. I have since switched to trash compactor bags which are cheap enough to replace often and bombproof. I would not recommend a cuben pack liner.
    I have similar experience with the Z pack liner.

    I suspected some leakage when the content kept getting a lot of moisture inside, even a very small puddle in the bottom.

    After one of my summer AT sections, I put my pack liner in the bathtub and filled it with water to find any leaks. Good grief, there were 10-15 little micro-streams leaking through the pack.

    All together, I had used this liner a total of six months. It is now retired, and will try a nyloflume liner.


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    Agreeing with most others, my Arc Haul (non CF) is fairly water resistant, but it does leak with extended soaking, but it is 5 years old now. I think it was better when new, but didn't test it as much as recently. It is definitely better than my previous packs, various Ospreys and even a ULA OHM.

    I really don't care much, I use one of those UL plastic bag liners, I cannot remember the brand, 1.5 ounces of bomber protection. I don't use any waterproof stuff sacks, they are just not needed for my kit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meat803 View Post
    CDT Started with same old dyneema arc blast but too damn uncomfortable with long hauls of food and skinny shoulder straps/lack of padding. Basically loads too high for the design. Went with HMG 3400.
    My Arc Haul is finally starting to wear out (after 5 years and many many thousands of miles), and I was thinking about taking a close look at those HMG's, so thanks for this endorsement; it means a lot coming from a triple crowner. AND now that REI carries the brand, it's easier to check out in-person and thoroughly test out.

    Is there any real difference between the 2400 and 3400 except size? I see no difference doing a "compare" online.

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    Let me end this once and for all. I HAVE NEVER COME ACCROSS A PACK THAT IS WATERPROOF,NOT EVEN A DRY BAG AFTER SOME TIME. Always use a liner. After a few days of rain I stayed at the firehouse in a certain town and water was running out of my pack. Everything stayed dry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NY HIKER 50 View Post
    Let me end this once and for all. I HAVE NEVER COME ACCROSS A PACK THAT IS WATERPROOF,NOT EVEN A DRY BAG AFTER SOME TIME.
    Not sure why a usefull discussion should "end once and for all" just because you decided to yell something that's pretty obvious to most.

    Some packs are pretty darn waterproof and would work for a while w/o any liner protection, like the Arc Haul. I would bet you could take a brand new Arc Haul, fill it with stuff, roll the top closed and hold it under water for a half hour and the stuff would stay dry. After a year or two of typical use however....
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