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    Yep, I'd agree with bias favoring personal choices, becoming incrementally stronger as the $$$ commitment increases.

    Not in all cases but probably most, maybe 80-90% or higher.

    Hey, we're talking statistics, so my wild-assed guess is a good as anyone's, right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cmoulder View Post
    AAnd the fact that people who have problems are FAR more vocal than satisfied customers, which is why, for example, we rarely see a post where someone complains that a sleeping bag is too warm while too cold is a monotonously recurring theme.
    I'm sure we could get Coach Lou to complain that his Puma is too warm - he loves rubbing our noses in it.
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    On the bags, the actual numbers jumped out:

    SLEEPING BAG PRICE TEMP WEIGHT FILL FILL WEIGHT SATISFACTION
    Enlightened Equipment Revelation 20 $285 20F / -7C 20.2 oz / 572 g 850-fill duck down 13.63 oz / 386 g 80%
    Western Mountaineering UltraLite $500 20F / -7C 29 oz / 822 g 850-fill goose down 16 oz / 453.6 g 86%
    Zpacks 20 Sleeping Bag $415 20F / -7C 20 oz / 568 g 900-fill goose down 13.7 oz / 388 g 67%
    Marmot Helium $400 15F / -9C 33 oz / 936 g 800-fill goose down 19.8 oz / 561 g 95%
    REI Igneo 17 $300 17F / -8C 31 oz / 879 g 800-fill duck down 15.9 oz / 450 g 94%


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    Quote Originally Posted by Elaikases View Post
    SLEEPING BAG PRICE TEMP WEIGHT FILL FILL WEIGHT SATISFACTION
    Enlightened Equipment Revelation 20 $285 20F / -7C 20.2 oz / 572 g 850-fill duck down 13.63 oz / 386 g 80%
    Western Mountaineering UltraLite $500 20F / -7C 29 oz / 822 g 850-fill goose down 16 oz / 453.6 g 86%
    Zpacks 20 Sleeping Bag $415 20F / -7C 20 oz / 568 g 900-fill goose down 13.7 oz / 388 g 67%
    Marmot Helium $400 15F / -9C 33 oz / 936 g 800-fill goose down 19.8 oz / 561 g 95%
    REI Igneo 17 $300 17F / -8C 31 oz / 879 g 800-fill duck down 15.9 oz / 450 g 94%
    Heh. No wonder so many of us have kept our 'starter' bags - mine is an REI Radiant (older model, similar to the Igneo); my daughter has whatever EMS's equivalent was about ten years ago; PMags has a Kelty Cosmic. Sure, they're a few ounces heavier than the fancier bags, but these less expensive bags give fine service, and are less finicky.

    Replacing my Radiant isn't high on my priority list. The cool kids don't use a cheap bag like these, but I've never been a cool kid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Another Kevin View Post
    I'm sure we could get Coach Lou to complain that his Puma is too warm - he loves rubbing our noses in it.
    lol, well if anybody weren't warm in that bag (rated -25F) it would be time to go home.

    I used to have one and used it in the Adirondacks once at -33F (official temp in Keene... I didn't have a thermometer that goes that low!)
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    Just a few observations after just getting off the AT for 2 weeks. I loked at bunch of pack options and ended up getting an ULA Ohm. I got the S Straps and like them a lot. ULA was great at helping me get the right combination of pack and hip belt. I tried a variety of Osprey and while not bad, I preferred the ride of the ULA. Either were better than the old NF Snow Leopard I used when I did the Long Trail back in the early 80's.

    I hear a lot of comments about the ULA being hot versus the Ospreys , not ventilating and absorbing sweat, blah, blah, blah. I have a lot of miles on mine and I don't ever feel like it doesn't have adequate ventilation. Other than than the hip belt, I only notice it contacting my back at a small spot near my shoulder blades and I adjust the pack so it just lightly touches as I walk for the most part. My maximum weight probably runs around 25 pounds with a week of food.

    Just my experience. I wouldn't avoid the ULA just on the back ventilation concern. YMMV

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