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Poll: Good Idea or Bad Idea To Thru Hike With All The Kids?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lone Wolf View Post
    the AT has turned into one big reality show and party
    It should just be walking right LW?
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    This is the trail journal of Which Way and Next Step. I don't know them but their journal is the one that mentions the Crawford family being evacuated by the Forest Service. If you read through, it may give some a better idea of the conditions the hikers are facing up there right now. I personally think it sounds like a helluva adventure, as long as the only person I had to be accountable for was myself. I might have to go back and read their Journal from the beginning, as his storytelling really sucked me in. The last paragraph is where you will find the information about the Crawford's evacuation.

    http://www.trailjournals.com/journal/entry/584645

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    I literally wouldn’t take my dog out in that weather, in the High mountains, and she has a fleece coat, a windbreaker/ rain coat, fur coat, and is running around. When she is sagging from overwork I can easily read her body language and we hole up for snacks, or an early overnight. We eat well and hydrate. I don’t hit her for complaining.

    What at is wrong with these people? This is the adult’s dream. Park the kids with grandparents and freeze your own asses off if you want, but don’t “suffer the little children”

    i cant watch “mr whiner and his bad idea, episode nth...”. Gives me heart burn.

    Their poor judgment and bad behavior may impact regulations for future hiking families. Hard to litigate common sense.

    (FYI, my dog is 11, cold seems to be harder on her now)
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    No law against being stupid , unfortunately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuddyWaters View Post
    No law against being stupid , unfortunately.
    Unless it results in child endangerment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slo-go'en View Post
    Unless it results in child endangerment.
    true very true.
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    IMO, these guys are about on the same level as the mom in this story on our local news this morning.

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    I haven't read this whole thread, but I've been following the Crawfords out of concern for the baby.

    The issue is not the wisdom of bringing small children on a thru-hike. The Crawfords' specific issue is that they were neglecting the baby. Here are just a few highlights:

    Here is what they considered appropriate rain and wind protection. Later on in the video they discovered that his socks had indeed stayed wet. https://youtu.be/muoIaCjqWsQ?t=3m33s

    Some of them got vomiting and diarrhea and the family holed up in a cabin. Here the father describes the care the sick children are receiving (he doesn't know what they're going to eat but he's happy there's internet). https://youtu.be/RSmAh5xp2uU?t=7m48s

    The father describes busting the baby's lip because he wouldn't stop screaming while they were walking on a ridge in cold and windy conditions. https://youtu.be/s7ymIT29i7g?t=6m57s

    I thought the baby's hands looked frostbitten in this video, but I'm no expert. https://youtu.be/qTNynA2Cz9E?t=15m24s

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    I just spoke to GSMNP law enforcement. They contacted the Crawfords yesterday and they are okay. No further details.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lone Wolf View Post
    the AT has turned into one big reality show and party
    ...and board & video game, T-shirts, hand bags, even a bobble headed whatchamacallit. Exploitation at it finest, the American dream! Ugh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mugthumper View Post
    This is the trail journal of Which Way and Next Step. I don't know them but their journal is the one that mentions the Crawford family being evacuated by the Forest Service. If you read through, it may give some a better idea of the conditions the hikers are facing up there right now. I personally think it sounds like a helluva adventure, as long as the only person I had to be accountable for was myself. I might have to go back and read their Journal from the beginning, as his storytelling really sucked me in. The last paragraph is where you will find the information about the Crawford's evacuation.

    http://www.trailjournals.com/journal/entry/584645
    Please tell me the snow in the journal link you provided is unusual.
    I live in Northern Canada...that’s normal for us, but I would never think that there’d be that much snow for the Smokies. Yikes! How does one deal/prepare for that in advance? Take multiple zeroes until the forecast looks better, or just put the blinders on and trudge on through.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BowGal View Post
    Please tell me the snow in the journal link you provided is unusual.
    I live in Northern Canada...that’s normal for us, but I would never think that there’d be that much snow for the Smokies. Yikes! How does one deal/prepare for that in advance? Take multiple zeroes until the forecast looks better, or just put the blinders on and trudge on through.
    Wait it out. People (Like the Crawfords), have to be rescued every year because the wrong person, the Crawfords of our world, didn't know when to pump the breaks and give it a break. The trail isn't going anywhere. I realize that not all rescues can be avoided obviously there are going to be the broken legs, heart attacks, even as we see in previous years bear attacks. But this was just pure ignorance to Smokies weather...high east coast altitude weather anywhere. Which IMO isn't acceptable at the risk of children. You wanna go stumble around in waist high snow drifts? have at it bud, but leave the children at home.
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    I'm not happy about being right on this one. Hoping the toddler has no serious damage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BowGal View Post
    Please tell me the snow in the journal link you provided is unusual.
    I live in Northern Canada...that’s normal for us, but I would never think that there’d be that much snow for the Smokies. Yikes! How does one deal/prepare for that in advance? Take multiple zeroes until the forecast looks better, or just put the blinders on and trudge on through.
    Perfectly normal for March.

    On average March gets 2 plus feet of snow. That's average. It could range from 0 to 5.
    Not Unusual and not a secret.
    There are ski resorts in North Carolina ..... Okay they couldn't stay in Business Without snowmaking but neither could any skis area east of the Rockies. Including those in Vermont and and New York, etc. And of course there's Ober Gatlinburg. March is winter at 6000 feet in the Smokies.

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    They had to know this storm was coming. The way hikers talk, and as many as it seems are in the Smokys right now, it would have been all anyone talked about for the 48 hours leading up to the storm. And since they were uploading a video yesterday, you know they at access to weather forecast.

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    I would bet they uploaded from Gatlinburg, after their "rescue."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Feral Bill View Post
    I just spoke to GSMNP law enforcement. They contacted the Crawfords yesterday and they are okay. No further details.
    Including the baby?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zed View Post
    I would bet they uploaded from Gatlinburg, after their "rescue."
    You know, you are probably right. I hadn't really thought about the timeline after reading the trail journal. They must have woke up and gotten out of their early before the drifts became too much. I wonder if the Forest Service was waiting for them.

    One thing is for certain, is that if the timeline is right, they sure didn't wait long to post a video after getting their rescue. Priorities. Gotta get them clicks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RuthN View Post
    Including the baby?
    I just repeated what I was told. Okay is subjective and I expect they don't want to discuss details at this point for legal reasons. I would think that NC. TN, and the Feds would each have jurisdiction, assuming
    prosecution is justified.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mugthumper View Post

    One thing is for certain, is that if the timeline is right, they sure didn't wait long to post a video after getting their rescue. Priorities. Gotta get them clicks.
    I hope they're editing multiple videos while in town. They were in Hiawassee in the last one. They are way behind with the uploads.

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