packing out the tp
So, let's say you're gonna pack out your tp. And, in bear country, you're supposed to keep everything that smells together. This seems to present a conundrum of the grossest variety! ?
packing out the tp
Double bag
You can walk in another person's shoes, but only with your feet
Separate TP bag with opaque zip lock inner bags. Hang outside your food bag. Or hike where extreme "LNT" practices are not customary. Quotes because you will leave some trace, regardless,
Last edited by Feral Bill; 02-12-2018 at 21:33.
"It's fun to have fun, but you have to know how." ---Dr. Seuss
Just throw it over your shoulder like a continental solder.
I always pack out tp. I have *never* even considered putting my used tp with my food nor do I know of anyone who ever has. Just keep it with your unused tp, separately bagged of course.
Whatever you do, please pack it out. Thanks!
If your TP actually has any significant poo on it you're method could use Improvement.
T P is for a final cleanse wipe. Using the correct position and natural materials first and there's nothing left. Focus on using minimal TP and there really isn't a problem.
People lived for thousands of years without toilet paper. Actually diet makes a tremendous difference.
Last edited by MuddyWaters; 02-12-2018 at 23:57.
So this is kind of gross but I find that "trail diet" produces relatively clean #2s that don't require a lot of cleanup. Use the town potty before leaving (having eaten town food the prior night).Originally Posted by MuddyWaters
I said it was gross.
It's not necessarily the diet, it's also the position. I find that I have a lot less cleanup to do after going 'squatty potty'.
When there's snow, clean up with a snowball. Remarkably effective, and not nearly as unpleasant as you might imagine.
I always know where I am. I'm right here.
Totally agree - silly commercials aside, I think there's something to the squat.
Hey, what about all those other critters out there? They STILL don't have any toilet paper, and they're doing alright!
Critters have their own special tp, its called a tongue.
If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.
Geez, just wash yourself, then you're cleaner AND don't have to deal with tp.
Catch 22.
Water, soap and wash cloth for washing self.
More water and more soap to wash the wash cloth.
In the desert. 20 miles between reliable water sources.
Got a plan for Old and Slow Fossils?
I know. We could stay at home. Not an option.
Wayne
Not really a fossil here, but hiking regularily in the desert.
I don't use any rag or wash cloth for the business, just water and maybe a tiny drop of soap.
Can do this with 200ml easily, and optimize down to 100ml by skipping the soap.
You won't die from reek as quick as from dehydration.
Wayne, 3/4 of the world clean their back side with nothing but a cup of water. It really does work and work well. It is, however against the aesthetic that a lot of us North American types grew up with, so it takes a little practice. Also, if you are hiking in the desert and you body allows you to plan a little, hold off your doo doo duty until you are near your next water source so you can clean with as much water as you wish, without carrying it more than the many 100's of yards you will walk away from the water source before you dig your cat hole.
I'm not lost. I'm exploring.
I am sure your backside gets nice and clean but I wonder just how well you can wash your hands afterward without contaminating everything you touch in the process. That is the part of your routine that gives me pause.
If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.
As I have suggested in these forums in the past, my well washed hands, following cleansing my back side with water, are probably far safer for cooking your food with than the hands of someone else that wipes with TP and assumes they didn't get any contamination and didn't wash their hands as thoroughly with soap. Not to mention, my back side is way cleaner and thus chaffing and monkey-butt are essentially eliminated.
Reasons for using water in preference to TP:
1) Significantly more LNT unless your carry out your TP
2) Way more comfortable
3) Way cleaner back side, so . . .
-- Less stink
-- Less backside chaffing, diaper rash, or whatnot
4) Less to carry
5) Less resupply needs
Reason for using TP instead of water:
1) Squeamishness that doesn't allow one to touch themselves or clean themselves adequately
2) Tradition where there is nobody else to know whether you followed tradition or not
And, if you actually really believe that TP contributes to improved hygiene relative to washing with water, I challenge you to find responsible studies to support your theory. If real, it shouldn't be hard to find given how important improving hygiene is in a lot of impoverished parts of the world most of which are populations that don't have the tradition of using TP.
Should I go into conversations I've had with people from 1st world countries that wash with water and can't understand how us Americans can be so crude and gross as to wipe our butts with dry paper? Have you ever tried to skip showering in exchange for wiping your body down with paper towels. I guess that way you wouldn't have to touch your stinky armpits. Really, water helps a lot in getting clean, especially when cleaning your butt.
I'm not lost. I'm exploring.
Most cultures that use water and hand to clean themselves almost always use their left hand. This is why they eat with their right hand and if they want to insult you, extend their left hand for a handshake. Toilet paper isn't only a cleaning "device" it is also a barrier between your hand and your waste. I'd rather see people properly use toilet paper than trust them to wash their hand(s) thoroughly every time.
What kind of barrier this really is?
You'd rather use disposable gloves. And pack them out, of course.
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