Sometimes saving one ounce just costs a bit of social status -- like going with an iPhone SE rather than the 7.
Of course that would be a real punch in the gut.
Note to Dogwood: Best to leave politics and religion out of these threads :-)
Sometimes saving one ounce just costs a bit of social status -- like going with an iPhone SE rather than the 7.
Of course that would be a real punch in the gut.
Note to Dogwood: Best to leave politics and religion out of these threads :-)
Pretty much my view exactly. I've bought some stuff that was a bit heavier just for that reason.
Re the consumables argument, well it is undeniably linked to some gear decisions such as pack suspension and volume. A pack that will potentially (and comfortably) be carrying a BV-500 and 7 liters of water is going to be substantially different from one where the max consumables will be a simple food bag with 4-5 days of food and 2-3 liters of water. Of course there are those who are willing to accept some initial discomfort, knowing that it'll get better as consumables shrink.
Last edited by cmoulder; 02-25-2017 at 20:30.
At the point my kit is I have no desire to be lighter. I may upgrade my puffy at some point. My clothes are possible to shave a bit. I could lighten up a lot in the summer to. I have no idea how much I spent on a per oz basis. I'll look at my clothing at this point.
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Yes, after going through replacing equipment with a lighter version, I then looked much more closely to how I could manage water better and lighten my food load.
I've taken the "tank up" philosophy, where I drink at least a liter of water in the morning, another liter two hours in at a stream crossing, and another liter mid-afternoon. I then only carry what I think I can get away with. Maybe 8 ounces.
I've also increased the frequency of mailing myself food, hopefully no more than 3 days worth. Dam the postage.
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The last thing we should be doing is talking at each other. It seems one or two want to have that type of situation. I will not engage in that. Seems that makes these people even more irate and offended.
There's always an Ignore button too.
Money and weight are a matter of perspective. Some are hikers who struggle to camp and others are campers who struggle hike. If that makes sense. I hate hiking so light weight is everything....to complete daily milage as fast as possible so i can camp. I have known others who hate setting up camp and taking down so hiking to them is every thing all the latest gear and cool gadgets for charging electronics. So it does matter what category you belong in as to much you'll spend. Food and clothing can shed more weight then survival gear.
Dogwood, instead of redirecting several threads in a different direction (which some refer to a thread hijacking), how about starting a new thread with the direction you want to go as the OP. There would be less strife created.
Last edited by Miner; 02-28-2017 at 11:52.
My latest purchase was $8.88 for a Pocket Juice 4000mAh. It's just under 4 ounces. So I guess that works out to $2.22/oz. I did have to buy a double wall outlet to charge it and my phone at the same time so I gained back a small amount of weight over a single wall outlet but perhaps it's a wash since that means I don't have to carry two wall chargers.
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You didn't see my previous purchase (also posted in this thread). You would totally want to revoke my forum name. On some forums I have actually been able to change my forum name to more accurately reflect my attitude. If anyone knows how to change my forum name without losing my "post history" I would appreciate knowing how to do it.
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While talking to a friend about my choice of 2 packs I was thinking about, the Osprey Volt vs the ULA Catalyst, I told her the Catalyst was a pound lighter and only $60 more. She was shocked that I would consider spending an extra $60 to save only one pound! LOL. I told her that people spend $50 to save an ounce - which is rough math if they go from a tarptent to a Zpacks tent.
First world problems. Been to a high end bicycle shop lately?
No joke! #firstworldproblems
A few years ago, I dropped $3,000 on an "entry level" full carbon fiber road bike which weighed next to nothing. A year later, an acquaintance who live 30 miles away, was on a training ride and stopped by to show me his $25,000 road bike...not a typo. It was ridiculous to say the least but, he is a grown man and it's his money. I suspect that much like the people who have bought a Duplex tent, he would say his bike was money well spent.
20+ yrs ago I questioned a friend about his $$$$ mountain bike. It was something like $6000 at time. He basically said...anything less and Ill break it. This is actually cheap.
He had a very expensive road bike too that was more
I'm aware this thread is older but since I posted in it before, I figured I would post again as my idea of what a lb/oz has changed over time. Currently planning on purchasing a slightly heavier pack than my current in the name of comfort and additional weight capacity. For the 2019 hiking season, I am planning on dropping $715 to drop a pound. The idea of $10 an ounce being what I would like to stick to is long gone...
AT: 695.7 mi
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I don't play this game any longer, I hump the gear I have, which is still about 15lbs. lighter than my gear 30 year ago...bonus!