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    [QUOTE=Secondmouse;2123684]there's plenty of reason why someone can't fit everything in a 50L pack, not everyone has been doing this for years or has a budget that makes a shop owner's eyes sparkle

    Gear first pack last . it's more expensive to start with a pack and buy the correct kit for pack size. So the op has a choice new pack or new kit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Secondmouse View Post
    there's plenty of reason why someone can't fit everything in a 50L pack, not everyone has been doing this for years or has a budget that makes a shop owner's eyes sparkle...
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    This.
    What happened to "hike your own hike"?

    Less is not always better, unless your sole concern is minimizing weight.

    Choosing how much to carry involves tradeoffs - weight, money, comfort, convenience, durability, wear & tear on body and pack, pace, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Secondmouse View Post
    there's plenty of reason why someone can't fit everything in a 50L pack, not everyone has been doing this for years or has a budget that makes a shop owner's eyes sparkle...
    ...which is why it's best to get a bigger pack and not try to cram heavyweight gear into a too-small pack and have all manner of stuff dangling from the outside. And also make the agonizing discovery that a UL pack's suspension is very uncomfortable carrying over 25 lbs.

    A big pack can carry a small load but a small pack can't carry a big load. Hence the age-old advice to buy the pack last when going UL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saltysack View Post
    Key word is "everything "= too much CRAP...Less is better.....it's not hard to take less...but agree you learn after you get tired of carrying useless stuff that's not needed!!!!


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    did I type too fast for you?

    I'll say it again - "not everyone has been doing this for years".

    give the kid a break...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Secondmouse View Post
    there's plenty of reason why someone can't fit everything in a 50L pack, not everyone has been doing this for years or has a budget that makes a shop owner's eyes sparkle

    Gear first pack last . it's more expensive to start with a pack and buy the correct kit for pack size. So the op has a choice new pack or new kit.
    exactly...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cspan View Post
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    This.
    What happened to "hike your own hike"?

    Less is not always better, unless your sole concern is minimizing weight.

    Choosing how much to carry involves tradeoffs - weight, money, comfort, convenience, durability, wear & tear on body and pack, pace, etc.
    exactly...

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmoulder View Post
    ...which is why it's best to get a bigger pack and not try to cram heavyweight gear into a too-small pack and have all manner of stuff dangling from the outside. And also make the agonizing discovery that a UL pack's suspension is very uncomfortable carrying over 25 lbs.

    A big pack can carry a small load but a small pack can't carry a big load. Hence the age-old advice to buy the pack last when going UL.
    I'm sensing a pattern here...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Secondmouse View Post
    did I type too fast for you?

    I'll say it again - "not everyone has been doing this for years".

    give the kid a break...
    Not Intended to bust anyone's balls....he can carry what ever he wants.....packing your fears is true.......live and learn......offering my worthless opinion...


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    Not worthless and entirely correct, IMHO...so there!

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    Quote Originally Posted by saltysack View Post
    Not Intended to bust anyone's balls....he can carry what ever he wants.....packing your fears is true.......live and learn......offering my worthless opinion...


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    no I was just busting your balls. but I remember trying to figure out how to make everything fit so I can empathize a bit with the OP.

    it's true, we do pack our fears, or at least our inexperience. go back and read the first post. he will, as you say, live and learn, but that takes time. just telling someone to take less won't give them the confidence or knowledge to make that work on the trail.

    anyway, sorry. I was trying to be humorous and it didn't come off right. I wasn't trying to be disagreeable...

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    live and learn, but that takes time. just telling someone to take less won't give them the confidence or knowledge to make that work on the trail.


    Quite accurate, and IMO the quickest path to success is taking a bunch of short trips, starting off with simple overnighters not too far from the trailhead (Safety!) and in good weather, and then gradually extending the distances, number of nights out and weather extremes as experience is gained. I still do these short trips when testing new kit or experimenting with new techniques.... this is totally independent of how much stuff you choose to take into the woods.
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    As a followup:

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    I have purchased an Osprey Atmos AG 65L pack arriving tomorrow, and I hope to go on a solid shakedown hike with it before heading to Amicalola Falls SP.

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    I'll add my rule of thumb for packing: nothing goes on the outside that I can't afford to lose. Pretty much shelter and bed falls into that category. You can either make room inside your pack for your important, expensive stuff, or you can get a bigger pack.

    your decision.

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    Here's what I've been using for a year or so.Got mine from Steep & Cheap.I strap it on top of my external frame pack along with my TarpTent.I can fit a BV500 inside of my pack.Clothes in the bottom and sleeping bag attached to frame under the clothes. http://www.barrabes.world/therm_a_re...FYs7gQod1JUAtA
    Sleep on the ground, rise with the sun and hike with the wind....

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    I'm thinking this is on topic, but don't flame me if it's off the reservation. Striving for UL & have the Solplex tent paired with the Arc Blast pack. Plenty of room inside the pack to place the tent, but because that pack is basically a gigantic "dry bag" wouldn't it be best to just crumble up the Solplex into the front pouch?

    If there is any condensation, it's just going to get trapped inside the pack all day if the tent is packed inside. So should I just always pack that tent on the outside of the pack? It's only a pound.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RollTide View Post
    I'm thinking this is on topic, but don't flame me if it's off the reservation. Striving for UL & have the Solplex tent paired with the Arc Blast pack. Plenty of room inside the pack to place the tent, but because that pack is basically a gigantic "dry bag" wouldn't it be best to just crumble up the Solplex into the front pouch?

    If there is any condensation, it's just going to get trapped inside the pack all day if the tent is packed inside. So should I just always pack that tent on the outside of the pack? It's only a pound.
    Nothing horribly wrong with this, although if you keep hats/gloves/windshells in that pocket the Solplex will make them harder to access because cuben fiber, despite its low weight, does not compress nearly as well as silnylon and will take up the entire pocket. Also, abrasion is the #1 enemy of cuben and is therefore one of the few things for which a stuff sack is probably a good idea, even for ardent UL advocates. Maybe keep it in the stuff sack on the outside of the pack so that it is easily accessible for drying later in the day, maybe for a lunch stop? The nice thing about cuben is that it dries very quickly with a small amount of sun and a bit of a breeze.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmoulder View Post
    Nothing horribly wrong with this, although if you keep hats/gloves/windshells in that pocket the Solplex will make them harder to access because cuben fiber, despite its low weight, does not compress nearly as well as silnylon and will take up the entire pocket. Also, abrasion is the #1 enemy of cuben and is therefore one of the few things for which a stuff sack is probably a good idea, even for ardent UL advocates. Maybe keep it in the stuff sack on the outside of the pack so that it is easily accessible for drying later in the day, maybe for a lunch stop? The nice thing about cuben is that it dries very quickly with a small amount of sun and a bit of a breeze.
    Just what I was thinking....in my frameless pack I've found the cuben Duomid fills the voids much better when simply placed inside a plastic grocery bag at top inside pack...i.e. Bottom is compactor bag w all dry items, then food bag then shelter. The long narrow stuff sack doesn't carry as well but I'm alittle concerned with cuben rubbing inside pack as plastic bag offers lil protection. Cuben food bag got hole after my cook pot rubbed it even inside mesh pouch....


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    Quote Originally Posted by bladnik26 View Post
    I have purchased an Osprey Atmos AG 65L pack arriving tomorrow, and I hope to go on a solid shakedown hike with it before heading to Amicalola Falls SP.
    good solid pack. a little heavy for a thru but this will definitely get you started and this is how we learn. congratulations...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bladnik26 View Post
    I have an Osprey Exos 48 that I have been training with for months and was planning on using for my upcoming 2017 NOBO thru-hike, but once I got all my gear together, I began to realize my minimalist pack-size mentality could be a problem. My sleeping pad is a ThermaRest ProLite Plus, and rolls up shorter than 12", so it cannot be held to the bottom of the pack with the given cords. My question then, is what is the best way of externally mounting my sleeping bag, a Kelty Tuck 22, to the bottom of my pack? Bungees? Accessory straps? How? Onto what? Thanks for your input, and happy trails!
    I have this pack also. I don't call myself UL, but more of a minimalist.

    My 2 cents.

    1. You should be able to use the Exos 48 for your summer gear, but you will need to get creative for your winter gear. You can have the 48 sent to you during the warmer months.
    2. I'd definitely keep my sleeping bag in the pack.
    3. I have no problem carrying my inflatable sleeping in the outer mesh compartment, but I usually wrap it my foot print or rain gear.
    4. If I run out of room in my pack, I'll take some food out of my food bag and put it in a big Ziploc and carry that in the mesh or strap it down.

    *Full disclosure- I don't carry a stove or pot and usually just have 4 days worth of food and no more that 2 liters of water.

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