Status of MTR for summer 2017 is on hold.

[HooKooDooKu]

For those planning a 2017 JMT hike...

From the Yahoo JMT news group, there is word that The Edison Co is planning on draining Florence Lake this summer.

MTR is currently not taking any reservations until they can learn more from a meeting scheduled later this month.

[saltysack]

You mean vvr?


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[HooKooDooKu]

No, that's not what the Yahoo message says.

Subject:

Status of Muir Trail Ranch for summer of 2017 is on hold temporarily due to planned draining of Florence Lake

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I just got an email from Muir Trail Ranch's owners. "The Edison Co is planning on draining Florence Lake this summer to work on the dam. They're scheduling a meeting with us sometime this month to give us more information.

We're not taking any reservations until we have more data.We just can't guarantee anything at the moment"

Note that it is 'Florence Lake' NOT 'Lake Thomas A Edison' being drained.

[Malto]

Without Florence Lake outside business to MTR would be very challenging. You normally take a boat to the far side of Florence to get to MTR.

[HooKooDooKu]

MTR also ferries the resupplies across the lake. So in a worst case senario, MTR won't be available for resupplies this year. (That's one of the outstanding questions posed to the person apparently in contact with MTR).

[Venchka]

Given the snow load so far, draining a lake in the Sierras might be challenging.
Wayne


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[Venchka]

Realistically, what is the impact of not using MTR as a resupply location? Inconvenience? Hardship? JMT hike killer?
I'm curious in case this reduces the JMT hiker numbers.
Wayne


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[saltysack]

No, that's not what the Yahoo message says.

Subject:


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Note that it is 'Florence Lake' NOT 'Lake Thomas A Edison' being drained.

My bad....I suffer from CRS....


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[saltysack]

20 miles more miles with out resupply to Whitney....speed up, carry more or a pita resupply....when I go again I'll skip mgr and check our vvr anyway.....


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[imscotty]

Realistically, what is the impact of not using MTR as a resupply location? Inconvenience? Hardship? JMT hike killer?
I'm curious in case this reduces the JMT hiker numbers.
Wayne

For an older, slower hiker like me, I would consider it an inconvenience. Leaving MTR my bear canister was packed to the max and I had the first day's meals outside. The last two days of that section to Whitney the rations were pretty lean. An extra twenty miles (from VVR) would make the food rationing even tighter.

I think this limitation will encourage some hikers to 'cheat' on the bear canister requirements.

If I was doing this section without MTR, I would consider a resupply at Onion Valley, but this option seems inconvenient to me compared to MTR. The Mount Williamson Hotel in Independence offers a shuttle, resupply and lodging package deal that may interest some. Here is the link...

http://mtwilliamsonmotel.com/resupply/

[HooKooDooKu]

Any resupply after MTR is expensive... it either cost you lots of money or lots of time. 20 miles extra without a resupply can require as much as two additional days of supplies for the average hiker. I too left MTR with a Bearikade Expedition fully loaded (and there is no legal canister that is larger).

There's no way I could have added two more days of supplies to my cannister... it would have meant ponying up the cost or going really lean those last 12 days for me.

[MuddyWaters]

Le post deux

[MuddyWaters]

I wouldnt use mtr if did it again.
As was I had 3 days food left when got to wp, and I had some short days due to rain.
Easily could have made it from vvr, or even reds meadow for that matter.

Lots of daylight, just use it

Vvr is the shizzle too. Great food and people. 3 meals, shower, bed, laundry, and left feeling like a million bucks.

[Venchka]

Thanks all.
I don't need to go up Whitney. If that shortens the distance and food required, so much the better.
There also seems to be a pair of contrary experiences. Something to think about. Oh, and cut off Whitney and go north.
Wayne


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[MuddyWaters]

Thanks all.
I don't need to go up Whitney. If that shortens the distance and food required, so much the better.
There also seems to be a pair of contrary experiences. Something to think about. Oh, and cut off Whitney and go north.
Wayne


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People that struggle with the distance do so by choice.
Choice to carry a lot of weight
Choice to hike limited hours per day

Most people getting supplies packed in..dont want to carry food wt, they are carrying too much other crap...by choice.

I saw people done for day at 2 pm, or not starting till after 9 am
With a few xceptions due to altitude, its easier hiking than AT, probably 25% more miles possible on average.
So if do low average 12 mpd on AT, 15 is about what to expect on jmt.
At that pace...vvr is 9 days. But dont need breakfast day leaving vvr, or dinner getting to wp, so really 8.5 days food. Which fits in a bearikade expedition. With day 1 out, it fits in weekender.

If run short..can always hike out for resupply.

[Venchka]

Thank you! I really appreciate your insight.
Wayne


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[Malto]

Realistically, what is the impact of not using MTR as a resupply location? Inconvenience? Hardship? JMT hike killer?
I'm curious in case this reduces the JMT hiker numbers.
Wayne


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I would use MTR over VVR every time. MTR is more convenient and a day later into a SoBo hike in the area with the longest carry. I wouldn't do VVR again, I found it to be an inconvient money trap.

[Lyle]

I would use MTR over VVR every time. MTR is more convenient and a day later into a SoBo hike in the area with the longest carry. I wouldn't do VVR again, I found it to be an inconvient money trap.

Yeah, it is a bit of a money trap, but it was fun and the folks are real nice. Besides, the hike out via the Bear Creek Trail if FANTASTIC, lots of swimming opportunities.

[HooKooDooKu]

MTR is currently indicating they will find a way to deal with resupply buckets.
http://www.muirtrailranch.com/resupply.html

[Venchka]

There you go. Entrepreneurs find a way to stay in business.
Well done Y'all!
Wayne


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