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    Cool Titanium vs Aluminum tent stakes

    What is the advantage of titanium over aluminum stakes? Aluminum is often very close in weight to titanium. If you take similar stakes and have to beat them into hard ground, how much difference does it make before each would bend?

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    Ti shepherd hooks work. If you made them out of Al they would have to be much wider gauge wire for the same tensile strength. I use both Al and Ti stakes, depending on the soil...YMMV...

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    What about V shaped stakes? Also I have seen Y shaped aluminum stakes but none made from titanium. Has anyone else seen them made from Ti?

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    Quote Originally Posted by methodman View Post
    What about V shaped stakes? Also I have seen Y shaped aluminum stakes but none made from titanium. Has anyone else seen them made from Ti?
    Yes. For some time now. Here, check it out...

    https://www.vargooutdoors.com/titanium-tent-stakes.html

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    You can also get carbon fibre nails/pegs....

    http://www.zpacks.com/accessories/stakes.shtml

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    You are correct, depending on the stake, the weight of some aluminum stakes are very close to titanium. I generally us titanium shepherd hooks. The down side is they don't hold as well in loose soil. The MSR Ground Hog stakes hold better in loose soil. With the Ground Hog's you can use a shorter stake. This might be an advantage if you are hammering them end and they do tend to be less expensive. If you constantly hammer on them, I would go cheep

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    Just to be more fully inclusive on the products out there...

    https://www.toaksoutdoor.com/collections/accessory

    http://lawsonequipment.com/Tent-Stakes-c132/ (psssssst......these are the best bang for the buck out there...)

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    First, the ones at Vargo appear to be v shaped, not y shaped. My interest is mainly in shepherds hooks and V shape as far as hammering strength. I was curious as to if Ti Y shaped stakes were even produced. The only y shaped stakes I have seen were aluminum and I think they were MSR mini groundhogs.

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    Scarebear, thanks for the 2 internet spots. I do have to get other things as well. Both were new to me.

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    I never hammer Ti stakes in just push them in step on them sometimes add a rock if needed

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    Quote Originally Posted by methodman View Post
    First, the ones at Vargo appear to be v shaped, not y shaped. My interest is mainly in shepherds hooks and V shape as far as hammering strength. I was curious as to if Ti Y shaped stakes were even produced. The only y shaped stakes I have seen were aluminum and I think they were MSR mini groundhogs.
    Vargo makes the Y stake. But, it is in Al. I have no idea why, except that it would cost too much to manufacture...if Vargo won't make it out of Ti, there must be a damn good reason...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareBear View Post
    You can also get carbon fibre nails/pegs....

    http://www.zpacks.com/accessories/stakes.shtml

    I have these stakes and while they're very light, they are really hard to push into packed soil and I get very nervous when I try to step on one. I'm still debating whether they will be coming along in March...
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    Good luck w the carbon fiber stakes I don't trust them .

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    I stand corrected. I did not realize that Vargo had a y shaped stake . It is also cheaper than msr.

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    Aluminum is less dense than titamium so titanium objects are heavier than aluminum objects of the same size. The weight savings for Ti gear (such as pots) comes from the ability ti make them much thinner due Ti's greater strength. But it seems to me that the holding ability is going to be proprtional to its size (a fatter tent peg will hold better than a thin one). So it makes sense to make tent pegs out of the least dense material (Al), so you get the greatest holding power (size) per gram. I've been using Al gutter spikes with good luck.

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    I was intrigued too but the no pounding thing is a killer for me. I am really thinking nails for guttering might be for me strong and cheap. Those Ti ones look nice too just don't know how strong they are and I know I can be hard on stakes.
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    I like the idea of the gutter spikes. Sounds as if they would be superior to the shepherds hooks. Have you ever weighed one to see how many grams they are?

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    On the AT, Ti shepherd's hooks are all I need...

    YMMV!

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    Even in snow or mud?

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    What does YMMV stand for?

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