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    Kit shows a lot of thoughtfulness RoamingGnome. I like it.

    Couple thoughts and questions.

    1) planning on using the 20* ZP bag/quilt the whole time?

    2) suppose you're switching out the 13+ oz Gander Mt convertibles for something like 5 -6 oz nylon running shorts around last wk of April-early May? This has the potential to save 7- 8+ oz.

    3) As Carl said resupplying more often has the potential to drop some significant POUNDS carried never mind ounces. Since it seems you are willing to switch out gear and buy gear to save wt perhaps, as it turns into fairer weather, you can also go to a lesser volume lighter wt pack commensurate with lower wt and lower volume food hauls and less voluminous heavier wt colder apparel? A Zpacks 60 L CF hauler may not have to be the end of line in saving backpack gear wt? With your kit one of the more bulkier categories of items can very well be food. If you reduce food volume, however you do that, I think that can get you to the tipping point of evolving or switching out to a lower volume and hopefully(that's the goal) lower wt backpack. Might be something to consider especially since I'm seeing a knee brace in your gear list.

    Just a word. Might work your way into your hike if you have knee issues or don't want to aggravate anything existing. i.e.; don't got out the gate too fast too hard too big. HYOH. You do your hike not someone else's. If I can do it still treating a broken ankle you can do it. Be mindful of that as your approach entails minimizing in town time/more time on trail. FWIW, being on trail around other thru-hikers so much it's easy, VERY EASY, to be tempted into doing miles and miles and miles or doing what others are doing when possibly you could be/should be doing what's best for you concerning your body!

    4) with your start date good chance(I'd count on it!) you'll encounter times walking in snow. Do you have at least one pr higher height calf height socks and/or something more WR or WP gaiters than the DGs for those times. DG's are great for summer or when it's dry to keep debris out but untreated lycra DGs quickly wet out despite the low wt. Perhaps, treating them with a spray on WPer like ReviveX or Grangers could help since you'll be wearing pants but even still expect wet possibly cold feet and possibly ice up around your pant cuffs and low cut trail runners. Consider more protective shortie gaiters like made from eVent or Neoshell or Schoeller for using the first 5 or so wks. Then, if you like to use gaiters switch to UNTREATED DG's for summer. For me, IMHO DG's aren't a necessity for the mid Atlantic states even with the low cut Solomon's. To each their gaiter own though.

    5) I suppose one of the reasons you're choosing to rock the Speedcross 3 is for their very good traction which will be appreciated with your start date conditions that can or WILL involve snow, ice, mud, and slush. I don't know if they're offered in a WP version or if you have the WP version. I assume you aren't taking the WP footwear path. Although that may not be a bad choice for your first pr for the early phase of the thru and then switching to non WP version on your second pr as it gets warmer. I suggest you consider treating that first pr whether WP version or not with ReviveX or Grangers. This helps in several ways and during those cold/cooler periods doesn't have to be such a big deal regarding shoe dry times or breathability compared to warmer months. Applying this WP, DWR, or silicone treatment can help to reduce ice/slush/mud/water build up on the upper and around the gaiters which this combination can have a tendency to do. Don't treat the very bottom of the soles as this can temporarily reduce traction making for slippery footing. Uppers on the Speedcross can hold water, snow and ice and possibly affect the speed lacing system. This makes the lacing more slippery too.

    6) with the low cuts and your late winter/very early spring start date you'd be wise IMO to carefully consider everything going on with your feet as a system- a layered integrated system. Sock choices should be carefully considered. Two obvious priorities stand out a) warmth, especially for those first 5 wks or so b) taking care of your feet throughout the hike recognizing how that might change in the cold compared to late April/May on. I guess you've considered one pr calf height socks in that two pr scenario for the beginning during hiking in snow/slush? Here's something you may consider: take two pr of different socks for versatility to address varied weather during at least the first 5 wks or so. With the non WP Speedcross one possible scenario might be to take one pr of merino socks of your choosing the other pr being something like a Hanz insulated WP calf height sock breathable and stretchy. This way you have versatility and address warmth while not having to have wet feet as much. It's an approach that has worked for me nicely in cold shoulder season temps rocking low cut trail runners and light hikers 1/2 size larger. As weather warms you can switch out for two pr ankle height socks. This sock scenario has the potential for you to possible eliminate 1 or both pr of the liner socks. You're call but seems a bit redundant in what amounts to carrying 4 pr of socks IMO with two pr liner socks and 2 other pr. To digress liners socks are possibly useful but once feet become toughened to LD hiking, with modern advanced sock design, and knowing how to tend to and treat feet PREVENTIVELY they can be less useful. You may only need 1 pr. Where they possibly have greater potential IMO is before feet become toughened and/or warm/hot LD starting times.



    This shows wherewithal, a willingness to observe and adapt and develop, "I'm sure our packs will change many times during those 2189 miles."

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    I am considering getting the Zpack Arc Haul to replace my Osprey AG 65. Almost a 4 lb difference. Right now I'm about 22-23 lbs without food and water. My goal was to keep everything under 30 lbs but would be happier between 20 and 25 lbs. My last trip about a month ago for 3 days I was carrying 35-37 lbs and I felt the weight. I like the Osprey and have never used the zpack...

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    Got myself an Arc Haul a few weeks ago. Very impressed with it! Had a Osprey Aether 60L before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oventoasted View Post
    Got myself an Arc Haul a few weeks ago. Very impressed with it! Had a Osprey Aether 60L before.
    I am very tempted I just loaded up my pack with everything minus food and water and it came out to 21.4 pounds. With 4 days worth of food and 3 liters of water (approx. 14 lbs. 2 lbs per day plus 6 lbs water) I will be at 35ish lbs. I know I might be figuring high on the food and water and that will vary day by day. My goal was to keep it under 30 with everything.


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    Quote Originally Posted by FiftyNine View Post
    I am very tempted I just loaded up my pack with everything minus food and water and it came out to 21.4 pounds. With 4 days worth of food and 3 liters of water (approx. 14 lbs. 2 lbs per day plus 6 lbs water) I will be at 35ish lbs. I know I might be figuring high on the food and water and that will vary day by day. My goal was to keep it under 30 with everything...
    Want to achieve your goal? There is little need to be carrying 6 lbs or 2 3/4 L of water on the AT with regularity. Situations vary but I'd suggest safely mindfully getting that down regularly through better water logistics to 1 1/2 - 2 L which gets your water wt down to 3.3 - 4.4 lbs. 1 liter of water weighs 2.2 lbs. Let that sink in. Fathom the consequences in regard to less wt carried if you safely mindfully do that!

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    Many more AT hikers who are evolving to lighter carries should give greater consideration to the unnecessary consumable wt they haul.

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    Outstanding, practically a dream kit, nicely done! Do you have a pro deal with zpacks????? :-)

    Only nit picking, but I don't see a back flush plunger for your sawyer filter, about an ounce. You can get by without one, backflushing by holding the filter firmly against a sink faucet, but prepare to get a bit wet. Have you thought about Aqua Mira? I switched to AM early in my AT hike, glad I did, the water is so clear along most of the trail, no need to filter, just something to kill the little nasties.

    I did have a use numerous times for a little swiss army knife, 0.7 ounces, I think I used the little scissors a bunch of times, and the tweezer is handy. Nail clippers?

    One silly question: why a 60L pack for a sub 9 lb base? Since the pack is so light, no worries, but I just think 50L or less is all anyone needs for 3-season AT hiking.

    BTW: I did use a 20 degree bag for over half the trail, even in warm weather, works fine, you just use the unzipped bag like a quilt, and adjust home much body is covered.

    Again, just nit picking. My kit is very similar, and it took me about 10 years of long distance hiking before I got my base under 10. You're way ahead of the game!

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    Outstanding, practically a dream kit, nicely done! Do you have a pro deal with zpacks????? :-)

    LOL I was thinking similar. no worries


    I did have a use numerous times for a little swiss army knife, 0.7 ounces, I think I used the little scissors a bunch of times, and the tweezer is handy. Nail clippers?

    tweezers are tick ready

    One silly question: why a 60L pack for a sub 9 lb base? Since the pack is so light, no worries, but I just think 50L or less is all anyone needs for 3-season AT hiking.

    Same thought here. Long large food hauls? Hauling heads of lettuce? Anticipating buying souvenirs along the way? they had a snow globe of Gatlinburg for sale in that town. stocking up on pecan logs for Christmas gifts?

    BTW: I did use a 20 degree bag for over half the trail, even in warm weather, works fine, you just use the unzipped bag like a quilt, and adjust home much body is covered.

    What did you use the other 1/2 of the time?

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    20161217_133435.jpg well here's my nearly completed gear list, still need a nice hat and a few other things like gators, gortex socks for the snow.

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    I totally forgot to mention what some of the things are. Most are easy for you to figure out, but the Tent is a SoLong 6 by Lightheart Gear, I have their rain jacket and pants too, the in red sacks. Underneath it all is an Engima quilt, 20 degree, long/wide. Since i'm starting late February, i'm bringing the Ghost Whisperer down jacket for camp and to sleep in, the Rab Xenon-X is for cold hiking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FiftyNine View Post
    I am very tempted I just loaded up my pack with everything minus food and water and it came out to 21.4 pounds. With 4 days worth of food and 3 liters of water (approx. 14 lbs. 2 lbs per day plus 6 lbs water) I will be at 35ish lbs. I know I might be figuring high on the food and water and that will vary day by day. My goal was to keep it under 30 with everything.
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    That is some heavy food. 3 Liters of water? I only carry a liter

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    Quote Originally Posted by coyote9 View Post
    That is some heavy food. 3 Liters of water? I only carry a liter
    Maybe he gets REALLY thirsty?

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    Quote Originally Posted by llittle_llama View Post
    Maybe he gets REALLY thirsty?
    I was really figuring on the very heaviest I would be carrying. I normally carry about 1 1/2 to 2 liters. On my last hike I had to carry 3 because I had to carry 1 1/2 to 2 days worth. No place to refill.


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    I was really figuring on the very heaviest I would be carrying. I normally carry about 1 1/2 to 2 liters. On my last hike I had to carry 3 because I had to carry 1 1/2 to 2 days worth. No place to refill.


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    Hey hoozurmama,

    One thing that stood out to me: your multitool/knife. I'd consider instead victorinox signature... could get a used one off of ebay for $8 ish. Anyways, offers a pen, and a tweezers and is only .7oz. So would have more functionality and one less ounce. Could also use the file and scissors as a sort of nail clipper if'n you are flexible enough.

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    I want to know how much these ultralight people weigh. Bodyweight please...

    Really, you might be able to drop a lot more pounds more easily than spending $$$ for gear that's a few ounces lighter.

    It's the elephant in the room (or on the trail).

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    Im not going to make UL in the winter months (11-12 lbs) but, for the summer (9lb) i will. I am 6 foot, 165 lbs, male.

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    Since you are flying in from abroad... let me suggest a wonderful grocery store: Trader Joes. There are two stores in Atlanta. Trader Joes has wonderful chocolate, trail mix, pop tarts, macaroni and cheese. I love, love Trader Joes. Should I hike the AT, I will fill up supply boxes with poundplus chocolate bars (500 grams) Belgian Chocolate that costs aproximately $3.99 to $5.50 (I can't remember the price.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by RockDoc View Post
    I want to know how much these ultralight people weigh. Bodyweight please...

    Really, you might be able to drop a lot more pounds more easily than spending $$$ for gear that's a few ounces lighter.

    It's the elephant in the room (or on the trail).
    Those few ounces add up to a few pounds. 11 lbs base for winter is the way to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RockDoc View Post
    I want to know how much these ultralight people weigh. Bodyweight please...

    Really, you might be able to drop a lot more pounds more easily than spending $$$ for gear that's a few ounces lighter.

    It's the elephant in the room (or on the trail).
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    It might be more comfortable to carry weight on your body than on your back
    but if your 10-50 lbs overweight it still slows you down and tires you horribly on uphills.

    If you are UL and dont routinely hike 17-25 mpd, you probably have other significant issues that are attempting to compensate for by a lighter pack.

    Some, like bad knees , or being 70 yrs old, arent much you can do anything about.
    Some, like being fat, you certainly can. And its in your general best interest to do so.
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