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    Default What's up with the A.T. Data Book 2016 elevation data Fontana Dam?

    Hi;
    In the A.T. Data Book 2016, the elevation listed at Fontana Dam N.C. has two values:
    At the end of Tennessee-North Carolina section 18, the listing at Fontana Dam is 1800'. But on the next page, at the start of the North Carolina-Georgia (N.C. Section 3) the listing at same is 1740'.
    Interestingly, in the 2014 edition of the A.T. Data Book, the listing at the start of the N.C. - Ga. (N.C. Section 3) is 1781'.
    I thought maybe we were talking about two different points on the trail, but the descriptions of the two entries are the same.

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    Climate change?
    Typos maybe. Why would it matter? You only cited a few feet difference. Average the 3 elevations?

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    It must be 1773.6666666 feet in reality (the average of all 3 numbers you listed)

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    I'm going with the entire mountain floating on a lake of magma theory, thus magma tides. We're all doomed!

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    I am currently transposing the entire 2016 A.T. Data Book to an e-book for my Kindle (for my own use only), which I plan to carry with me on my SOBO thru-hike, and came across the discrepancy. It doesn't make any difference at all, but my curiosity, combined with a bit of obsessiveness, prompted me to post the question. I guess it could also be the GPS used to take the readings, or the trail could have been re-routed a few feet, since the 2014 edition. It's a good thing I did not buy the 2015 edition

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    Default What's up with the A.T. Data Book 2016 elevation data Fontana Dam?

    I guess you know that the AT Guide is available as a PDF for a nominal eight bucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Internet Hiker View Post
    I guess you know that the AT Guide is available as a PDF for a nominal eight bucks.
    No, I didn't know it was available in .pdf format. Before I purchased the paperback copy from ATC, I searched their site for a .pdf and didn't find it. That would have saved me the time of scanning my book, but I still would have needed to re-format it for the Kindle. I have sent "raw" .pdf files to my Kindle and was not happy with the layout. Besides that, it was a fun project. I learned a lot about the trail, and was inspired to begin planning for my own SOBO thru-hike this year.
    Of course, the Kindle version of the book won't do me any good if my Kindle gets trashed, or the battery runs down before I can get to an AC outlet to recharge.

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    I don't know the answer. It could be an outright error (fixed or new) particularly if it is the only one you spotted. If it was multiple points, it might be a change in the datum or projection used to produce the data points or a switch of these in the GPS unit even. I don't know if this information is listed in the data book.

    I know you mentioned being done, but you can also get Adobe Acrobat from the Kindle store.
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    I don't think the PDF version is widely distributed. I was wrong about the price; $8 was last year. This year it's $9. You can get it from the author's web site here:
    http://www.shop.theatguide.com/Books_c3.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alligator View Post
    I don't know the answer. It could be an outright error (fixed or new) particularly if it is the only one you spotted. If it was multiple points, it might be a change in the datum or projection used to produce the data points or a switch of these in the GPS unit even. I don't know if this information is listed in the data book.

    I know you mentioned being done, but you can also get Adobe Acrobat from the Kindle store.
    I cannot afford the full version of Acrobat, but I have ABBYY PDF Transformer, which was about 30% of the cost of their full product. It will scan and recoginze text, and convert any .pdf to a searchable version. That works very well, but for the Kindle, I found that it needs to be re-formatted from the .pdf if it is going to work. Besides that, I am adding my own TOC, so I can go to any section from the front - although, one of the great features of the Kindle is that it will always return you to the last page you read.

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    it was the aliens. they made a landing there in 2015, late December if I remember correctly.

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    Coogan is on to something. I think that was where the alien from Argentina landed to woo Governor Sanford who was innocently out hiking "the 'ol Appalachian Trail". Pesky aliens cause all kinds of trouble, yanno?

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    Due to thickness of the page maybe.

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    That was eErrata lLibris from the planet DEF in the Gnuwrld.enc system. Notably inept and vertically challanged.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alligator View Post
    I don't know the answer. It could be an outright error (fixed or new) particularly if it is the only one you spotted. If it was multiple points, it might be a change in the datum or projection used to produce the data points or a switch of these in the GPS unit even. I don't know if this information is listed in the data book.

    I know you mentioned being done, but you can also get Adobe Acrobat from the Kindle store.
    I don't have access to the Kindle store but the Acrobat in there may be just the reader. If you need the full Acrobat Professional for PDF authoring tools such as optimizing scans, and adding bookmarks, links, and a table of contents, etc. , you can get a legal license for Adobe Acrobat Professional on a monthly basis from Adobe for $25/month with no annual commitment. Google on "Adobe Acrobat DC" and you'll get to Adobe's site. If you only need the software for one quick project, it beats paying $450 for the disk version.

    Unless I already had Acrobat and really enjoyed scanning, I'd probably just buy AWOLs PDF version. I'm curious to see if he made it a "smart" PDF with links, etc. or just a scan of the paper version. (If the PDF is unlocked, you could always add your own smart features and notes using Acrobat.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arden View Post
    I cannot afford the full version of Acrobat, but I have ABBYY PDF Transformer, which was about 30% of the cost of their full product. It will scan and recoginze text, and convert any .pdf to a searchable version. That works very well, but for the Kindle, I found that it needs to be re-formatted from the .pdf if it is going to work. Besides that, I am adding my own TOC, so I can go to any section from the front - although, one of the great features of the Kindle is that it will always return you to the last page you read.
    Have you tried Calibre to convert the pdf to Kindle format? It is a free program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arden View Post
    No, I didn't know it was available in .pdf format. Before I purchased the paperback copy from ATC, I searched their site for a .pdf and didn't find it. That would have saved me the time of scanning my book, but I still would have needed to re-format it for the Kindle. I have sent "raw" .pdf files to my Kindle and was not happy with the layout. Besides that, it was a fun project. I learned a lot about the trail, and was inspired to begin planning for my own SOBO thru-hike this year.
    Of course, the Kindle version of the book won't do me any good if my Kindle gets trashed, or the battery runs down before I can get to an AC outlet to recharge.
    The AT Data Book and the AT Guide are two different books... Just wanted to point that out for anyone new to this conversation (and there are a lot of lurkers out there). The ATC puts out the Data Book and AWOL does the AT Guide.

    AWOL's 2016 Southbound Guide is still on pre-order status and he has yet to post (or I am blind) his 2016 Southbound Book & PDF package. The PDF was supposed to be available mid-January, and will most likely be available any day now. The Southbound book was supposed to be available for shipment around the beginning of Feb. I figure he's most likely just getting caught up on NoBo orders right now...

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    Definitely Aliens.

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    I emailed the Guide pdf format to my Kindle using the Convert on the subject line, which has worked for other pdfs, and it was a huge mess. Deleted the mess, then emailed it unconverted, it works great now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Water Rat View Post
    The AT Data Book and the AT Guide are two different books... Just wanted to point that out for anyone new to this conversation (and there are a lot of lurkers out there). The ATC puts out the Data Book and AWOL does the AT Guide.

    AWOL's 2016 Southbound Guide is still on pre-order status and he has yet to post (or I am blind) his 2016 Southbound Book & PDF package. The PDF was supposed to be available mid-January, and will most likely be available any day now. The Southbound book was supposed to be available for shipment around the beginning of Feb. I figure he's most likely just getting caught up on NoBo orders right now...
    Good to point out. I missed the changeup in IH's post. So does anyone know if the Data Book is on pdf yet?
    Quote Originally Posted by Offshore View Post
    I don't have access to the Kindle store but the Acrobat in there may be just the reader. If you need the full Acrobat Professional for PDF authoring tools such as optimizing scans, and adding bookmarks, links, and a table of contents, etc. , you can get a legal license for Adobe Acrobat Professional on a monthly basis from Adobe for $25/month with no annual commitment. Google on "Adobe Acrobat DC" and you'll get to Adobe's site. If you only need the software for one quick project, it beats paying $450 for the disk version.

    Unless I already had Acrobat and really enjoyed scanning, I'd probably just buy AWOLs PDF version. I'm curious to see if he made it a "smart" PDF with links, etc. or just a scan of the paper version. (If the PDF is unlocked, you could always add your own smart features and notes using Acrobat.)
    Good to know about the short license possibility. It is just the Reader that I mentioned. It's handy to have on the Kindle, I rarely use the send to Kindle feature anymore. I'm a big fan of Evernote myself, and if there is something I want to grab off the Internet, I just clip it to Evernote. Pdfs go to my cloud drive and then I can open them on the Kindle with the reader if I want to. There is an Evernote add-in for pdfs but it is clunkier than Adobe.
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