How a vegan Appalachian Trail record-breaker fueled up - Press Herald

[colorado_rob]

I think it's widely accepted that eating a lot of red or fatty meats is bad for your health. Emphasis on 'a lot'. Anything in moderation is not going to cause much damage.

Accepted by whom? And what "damage" are you referring to?

The world was once widely accepted to be flat, right? (not a great analogy, but it sprang to mind....)

All I see are fad diets and media nonsense and in fact for the latest actual nutrition/science-based articles, I tend to see a lot of the opposite. My own doc laughs when I ask him about avoiding red meats.

[squeezebox]

So what's the issue with honey?

[colorado_rob]

So what's the issue with honey?

Pisses off the Bears?

[rafe]

yo pauly, i used to work on a farm. i witnessed lotsa small animals get killed by the machines. you veggie folks are hypocrites. animals die in the production of your rabbit food

You're suggesting we return to ox-drawn plows? Cuz we're chopping up the poor little gophers and prarie dogs? Seriously?

Eating meat is eating at the top of the food chain. It's inherently wasteful.

[Lone Wolf]

You're suggesting we return to ox-drawn plows? Cuz we're chopping up the poor little gophers and prarie dogs? Seriously?

i'm suggesting your reading comprehension sucks. never typed or suggested nothin' about no ox plows. using oxen would be animal abuse and hypocritical

[Sarcasm the elf]

For the record I'm all in favor of oxen.

[Lone Wolf]

me too
http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/s...ew-recipe.html

[Lone Wolf]

me too
http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/s...ew-recipe.html

[Sarcasm the elf]

me too
http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/s...ew-recipe.html

I was never big on lima beans...

[Casey & Gina]

So what's the issue with honey?

Insects are in the animal kingdom, so some vegans don't believe in consuming it. Certainly a lot of vegans do not have any such objection, though.

[rafe]

i'm suggesting your reading comprehension sucks. never typed or suggested nothin' about no ox plows. using oxen would be animal abuse and hypocritical

If ox-drawn farm implements were animal abuse, we're all born of hypocrite ancestors, and hypocrisy is in our DNA.

I know that fossil fuels are awful in a whole bunch of ways, but I'll be burning a few gallons to go hiking this weekend. Living in the real world makes hypocrites of us all.

I defend vegetarianism without really practicing it. Meat production (and consumption) is horrible in a whole bunch of ways, but I still enjoy an occasional cheeseburger.

[squeezebox]

No bees were injured in the making of this honey. I still really don't get it other than it's an animal by-product. And maybe using animals equals abusing animals.
Does this idea include using animals for transportation?
There are so many much more serious issues to try to fix in this world.

[Mags]

For the record I'm all in favor of oxen.

Scotts Bluff, Oregon Trail ...I did not get dysentery.

[Sarcasm the elf]

Scotts Bluff, Oregon Trail ...I did not get dysentery.

Buried somewhere in my parent's house are a couple of photos of 8 year old me driving a dead broke team of oxen around dirt roads on a hobby farm. They didn't have anything hitched to them, but I got fairly good at driving them over the course of that summer.

Also, excellent Oregon Trail photos on FB, I was geeking out a bit over the wagon wheel grave marker.

[Traveler]

Could use of the vaunted triple negative be considered language abuse?

[Pedaling Fool]

No bees were injured in the making of this honey. I still really don't get it other than it's an animal by-product. And maybe using animals equals abusing animals.
Does this idea include using animals for transportation?
There are so many much more serious issues to try to fix in this world.

I can't address why some vegans see the consumption of honey as NOT being a true vegan. However, bees are regularly killed every time the beekeeper goes into the hive. Because they start flying all over the place, many of them sting you, resulting in their death, but also many of them get on portions of the wooden frames/sectional boxes and as those parts are put back together they get crushed.

Then you got the bees that are shipped all over the country to pollinate certain crops, such as almonds, blueberries, etc... However, I don't believe any of that honey is harvested, but it's pretty tough on them little critters. I imagine quite a few miss the bus And they can not live on their own outside the hive. But then again, they only live about 6-weeks in the months they are collecting for the hive - they literally work themselves to death. Busy as a bee

[squeezebox]

If you wear a proper bee suit they can not sting you.
You can brush the bees out of the way when putting the hive back together.
I think honey from traveling bees for pollination is harvested, blueberry honey would be wonderful.
An excluder is available so the bees can get into the hive but not out.
Still a lot more serious stuff to worry about.
MHO

[lemon b]

Yes, it was a serious question and thank you for the answers. If ya got a laugh on my lack of knowledge that's all good.

[Pedaling Fool]

If you wear a proper bee suit they can not sting you.
You can brush the bees out of the way when putting the hive back together.
I think honey from traveling bees for pollination is harvested, blueberry honey would be wonderful.
An excluder is available so the bees can get into the hive but not out.
Still a lot more serious stuff to worry about.
MHO

Even with a proper fitting bee suit you will get stung or in the least the bee will attempt to sting you. It doesn't matter if the bee stings you or not, just them putting their stinger into the bee suit will cause them to die -- they can't extract their stinger from the suit, in the same way they can't extract their stinger from your skin. All beekeepers get stung. http://www.beesource.com/forums/show...ugh-a-bee-suit

But far more are killed when the beekeeper opens and closes the hive, by simply crushing them. Of course no one talks about this, not that it's an "unspoken truth", it's just not an important thing that most people consider. I've watched these things up close quite a bit, not just on video, and I'm a witness to many bees getting crushed during this process. Trust me, many bees were crushed in the making of this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_d55cSiY4P0

Bee keeping ain't a victim-less occupation/hobby, it's just that no one really cares, at least I've never heard anyone mention it.

P.S. many beekeepers do brush them away, but they come back so quickly that many still get crushed. It would take a lot of time to make sure none were crushed.

[Pedaling Fool]

Ha, ha... I found someone who asked the question: How many bees do you smoosh?

http://www.beesource.com/forums/show...-do-you-smoosh