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Aloha, Traveling from Hawaii to Asheville beginning of July. Hoping to hike the whole month. I posted to an AT Facebook page and people made it sound to to hot, humid and buggy to be any fun through NC. I’m not really used to humidity? Opinions? Should I really just go somewhere with cooler temps like New England. If so, anyone know a good place to start up north that I could bus or train to? Mahalo!
I've been at higher elevations just outside of Asheville in the middle of the summer with daytime temps in the low 70's on days when Asheville was in the low 90's. It can be a mixed bag by any measure.
For sure it will be humid. No telling what the temperatures will be on a given day. Today was HOT, low 90s in May!?!
Yeah, it's hard to say. Most of North Carolina will be 90+ during the day, humid, afternoon thunderstorms, and buggy. But the mountains are usually much nicer than that -- there's a reason there are thousands of vacation homes in the NC mountains. But even if I think it's much nicer than being home in July (and it is!), you might think it's miserably hot and humid :)
Are you hoping to go backpacking for a whole month? We did the Long Trail in Vermont in July, and the weather was one of the best parts. Cooler, less humid, just a terrific New England summer experience. The LT is 275 miles, takes 3-4 weeks, and you can take a train there and back from Washington, DC. Details in our journal, linked below.
Not intolerable at highest elevations.
I hike NC/VA mountains in July. Stay above 5,000' for comfort. Usually it's low 70s day to mid 50s night with much lower humidity than anything in town.
At lower elevation, the humidity and lack of a breeze in thick forest can be stifling throughout the summer. it took me several years to get used to the summers in NC. As others have mentioned, ridgelines and anything above 5,000' are quite pleasant.
You're there for a month... and coming from a warm climate.
It'll take you 3-7 days to adjust to the humidity, but not a deal killer.
If that's the section you want to do- go for it.
In July you'd almost have to go all the way up to New Hampshire to escape the summer heat.
Pretty much VA to New England will hot and humid.
Being the green tunnel... the humidity gets trapped in the forest canopy so the higher elevations around the Asheville area are some of the cooler (and prettier) sections you could do south of Vermont. Shennies would be worse humidity for example.
Vermont... might still be dealing with blackflies and some lingering mud.
Maine... not to easy to get in/out. And likely to have blackflies and mud.
So all in all... being the hottest month of the year (basically) NC area sounds like a decent trip.
Fontana to Hot springs is nice. Hot springs north is good too... so however you want to wrap around ashville you have pretty nice trail all the way up to Grayson Highlands for summer time IMO.
Every year I hike for week somewhere between Damascus and the Smokies in July or August. I split my day starting my walk by 7 then a long break anytime between 1 and 5 near a creek or spring so I can get cleaned up and dry off. That break includes my heavy meal of the day. I fill up with excess water then hike till about 830 or 9 and always camping high. I can keep my mileage high enough (15+) and even when it is hot I'm seldom under stress doing it like this. Above 4500 there are few bugs. The days can be brutally hot, but things cool off quite nicely at night with elevation. There is always a cooler than average week during that time of year, and there is always a warmer than average week too. Sometimes I'll get up early and start hiking around 4 or 5 AM and split the day into 3 sections. Hammock is better than tent - much cooler at night.
Wow many Mahalos for the advice. I’m still in decision mode but will report back with my plan.
Just about anywhere in the east is too hot & humid & buggy in July, but don't let that stop you. It's always too ____ & ____ &_____ in _____ somewhere.
Ok time to come clean without starting a out-of-shape thread, I’m not in terrible shape but I’m weighing in a 200 pounds at 5’11 and I’m 48 with so so knees. Heat and humidity aside for now it sounds like the AT north and south of Asheville is pretty grueling. Am I being a wimp or should I head up to an easier section like around Damascus, if that is in fact actually easier. Should a kook from Hawaii be looking for easier section in July? I’ve backpacked all over Hawaii but our trails are short and somewhat challenging ie Napali Coast, Haleakala and now closed Volcanoes NP. Any advice is greatly appreciated and now you have a friend in Hawaii :)
Captain,
The southern AT (from Georgia up through most of Virginia) runs up and down and along the crests of 3000-6000' mountains with dips down into valleys, and occasional stretches (like just south of Damascus) of relative ease. Because of the elevation changes, anything in this area will give your cardiovascular system and leg muscles a workout. In July, it will be hot and muggy most of the time with some relief on those higher elevations.
The middle AT (West Virginia up through maybe Connecticut) is generally lower elevation, and therefore not as hilly/steep. Still muggy in July, but without a mountain, it can be hard to escape the heat.
The northern AT (Massachusetts through Maine) is mountainous, but much more rugged than the southern trail. Heat and humidity are more tolerable in July, but the climbs are steep.
A month-long hike will cover 300-500 miles of the trail (give or take). Springer to Damascus is 500 miles. Katahdin to middle of Vermont is 500 miles. If you've "backpacked all over Hawaii" then you just need to choose between challenging big muggy climbs or more challenging big rocky climbs.
Watch out for the stinging nettles too. :eek:
I did a late July hike in central VA. When planning I too was worried the heat would be unbearable. However a few days in I found it was not really an issue. NC is further south, but the mountains are higher so I would expect similar results. After the hike I checked the weather and found temps had been normal for the week I was there, which meant hot and humid in the cities but pleasantly warm up in the mountains. However, if you happen to be there during a heat wave, things could be different. But as others have pointed ou, if you plan hikes around bad weather that may happen, you will never hike.
Exactly. It can be quite nice at the higher elevations. Miserable out on Jockey’s Ridge.Quote:
Originally Posted by MuddyWaters
Mt Rodgers/Grayson Highlands will be quite pleasant, for July. There will be more people though, if it matters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Zero
The thing about any long term planning is the weather does not care what your plans are...so you just have to deal with it. I did my first AT week in October last year when its normally low 80s at most but of course I got to start with highs on the trail of 95+...4 days of 95-100 and low 90s for 2 more days. My point is IF you get caught with high temps on the trail you can cope, you just have to slow your pace and expectations and carry more water. Everything I read says sweating is part of the deal, more or less should NOT stop you, merely moderate your pace. Who knows, you might get lucky and have below normal temps and humidity.
I just got back from a 20 day backpacking trip on the state line of NC and TN---and while some people advise seeking out the high ground above 5,000 feet, it's difficult to spend 30 days backpacking at or above 5,000 feet. If you're set on North Carolina, my advice is to plan your trip from creek valley to creek valley and only use the separating ridges to connect these valleys. The Snowbird backcountry is a good place to start as Snowbird Creek stays at around 3,500 for many of its crossings.
Why stay on creeks? Simple. You can submerge and stay submerged until your core temps get low enough whereby in-camp squatting is tolerable. Bugs can be dealt with but only if you carry a headnet and some Deet.
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Here I am near the end of my trip on May 15 2018 in Wildcat Creek on the Warrior's Passage trail. Get submerged, boys.
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The biggest consideration when backpacking in NC in July are these guys---and the hotter it gets the more they come out. Many trails in the Southeast are in shade or deep shade, but when I hit a big patch of direct sunlight I often see one of these pit vipers enjoying the heat. This guy was on the Nutbuster trail of Upper Slickrock Creek.
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Saw this guy on my last trip to Big Frog wilderness on the Grassy Gap trail. 10 minutes earlier I stopped for a rattlesnake on the same trail.
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It also helps to have a tent that can become a tarp for full ventilation on occasion but also becomes a sealed up room with a floor when the carpenter ants and noseeums attack.
Best advice ever. Reminds me of Warren Miiler when he said if you don’t this year you’ll just be one year older when you do. So since money is my limiting factor it looks like the Whites are out and I’ll be rolling into Asheville around the 4th via bus then figure some shuttle hustle to Hot Springs or other random access and head north till I drop and hustle a ride back to Asheville. Sounds simple enough. Time to pull the trigger on the ticket the rest will work it’s self out one way or another.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deadeye
Holy snakes! Are you ****ting me. Am I supposed to have something in my first aid kit if I get bit by one of those things? And just as scary I assume plan on bears right? Like I need to buy some food hanging kit thingy magigi and use it religiously right? Or is it like you can keep your food in your tent and probably not get eaten alive? Finally no way I need one of those mosquito hats right? I’m bringing a tent but might cowboy it when ever possible. Ok I lied more stupid stupid bug question then shame me forever, I don’t really need to have insect repellent cloths or spray my tent or pack with some crazy bug stuff right? Just bring a little deet right? Anyone not bring deet at all and just deal with it.? Hate the stuff. Ok mahalo or I’ll look it all up.
Depends on if bugs like you IMO. I don't use insect repellent and don't get bothered, my wife on the other hand, full Deet and she still gets eaten up. Supposedly it is partially attributable to your blood type. Theory says that insects are attracted to the bacteria on your skin that grows based on blood type. You have to be the judge of what risks you are willing to take.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Zero
You don't need permethrin treated clothes in NC. Bear proofing your food is a personal call and should be based on where you are camping. You can sleep with your food, hang it, or store it in a bear canister. Snakes are everywhere and not looking to bite you, so just watch your step.
Have hiked the Mountains through Pisgah for years now, usually in the middle of July. As long as you are above 2 or 3 thousand feet you’ll be just fine. Tons of wildlife and less people along the trails are the best benefits. Some people are too smart for their own good and I wouldn’t let them discourage you from hiking your hike. Nights are plenty cool enough, regardless of daytime tempatures.
No DEET needed. I do treat my pack, shoes socks, pants with permethrin. Gnats will be the worst thing you will have to deal with so a head net might offer relief. Sleeping with food is up to you, although, bears in Nantahala and Citico are wary of humans since they are hunted in these areas. I hang if there's a good spot but have slept with the food bag on occasions.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Zero
Pisgah is my old stomping ground and where I really started backpacking back in 1980. Of course there are many different Pisgahs---the Shining Rock Pisgah, the Grandfather Ranger District Pisgah, and a couple others.Quote:
Originally Posted by troubletrev
My favorite place is in the Wilson Creek area on Upper Creek and Raider Camp and Harper/North Harper and Lost Cove Creek---and along Steels Creek near Linville Gorge.
In the last couple years I've pulled two trips in Piz---one for 22 days in July and a 24 day trip in May. No one mentions the Noseeums which can be hell in July---along with the Pisgah yellow jackets---a particular group indigenous to Piz that loves to chase and sting humans. On my trip in July I bushwacked up a hollow to connect Upper Creek trail to Greentown/MST and got walloped by five of the motards in quick succession.
Point is, July in Pisgah can be at times very miserable. The only time I ever build a campfire is generally in Piz to smoke and smudge away the noseeums. See below pic---
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Smudge fire to dispel noseeums---midges---at a campsite on Upper Creek July 2014. No, I'm not cooking my crotch.
Hey Tipi, you can get anti-fungals for that condition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tipi Walter
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hats off to you people that four season hike! there’s a reason we have screen doors and A/C in the south. Heat and bugs just suck. I live in sc and I hang up the pack between May and September. It’s just too bleeping hot. About the only good thing summer hikes have to offer is long days. When it’s light at 6am and stays light until 9, you can walk a long way! I much prefer three season hikes in Fall, Winter, and Spring.
The way I see, we have to sleep with Miss Nature and take the bad with the good. If I hung it up from May to September, well heck, I might as well just sell my gear and attend stock car races or play golf.Quote:
Originally Posted by Theosus
Plus, the opportunity and fitness needed for backpacking is on an inevitable track to END---either to old age or ill health or life responsibilities ETC so the mandate is to get out at all costs whenever you can---in January or July.
Having just returned from 3 insect free weeks west of Childress, Texas & east of Moose, WY. ‘Nuff said.
Y’all have fun.
Wayne
Backpacking??? Living under an Interstate bridge??? Sitting inside a cooled meat locker??? No bugs in TX or WY??????Quote:
Originally Posted by Venchka
Say what you will but I pulled three ticks off my daughter a few weeks ago. I will never assume they will not be out early. Lyme is in every state in the east. Treat your clothes.Quote:
Originally Posted by devoidapop
What he said. Treat your clothes with permethrin.
I have found that it keeps almost ALL bugs away, not just ticks.
I have never brought or used bug spray (deet) or wipes on my late June section hikes; the permethrin on the clothing does the trick.
This would be the reason to consider a hike on the northern portion of the A.T. !!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Theosus
So from your few posts in this thread I'm assuming you want to hike a section of the AT in the South. If that's that case and you have a month, then maybe start north of Great Smoky Mountains NP and see how far you get. Southern VA is also a really neat area. The trail through most of the Southeast is well graded, but you will deal with some sizable ascents and descents in places. If you are out of shape as you state you are and have 30 days to hike I would realistically plan on 300 - 350 miles. That would be a little over 10 miles a day with maybe a couple of lower mileage or 0 days mixed in there. As for the weather, who knows what you might get. Some summers are super hot and some are more mild. So far this one appears to be shaping up as a potential wet one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Zero
Don't worry about poisonous snakes or bears. You're not likely to see either one. In 13+ years of hiking all over I've seen maybe a dozen bears and about 4 - 5 poisonous snakes. For food storage peruse other threads on here and decide what you think will work for you. As for bugs, ticks are the thing to worry the most about. Again peruse the threads on here to see how you might want to deal with them. In general, I have found that checking myself regularly has kept them off me for the most part. I'd also recommend not sitting in grass, brush or leaf litter when you are taking breaks or in camp. This is where ticks like to hang out. Always sit on something like a rock, log, picnic table at a shelter, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Zero