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    If you aren't trying to save weight . Anything works . Save your money for the trail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by methodman View Post
    What does YMMV stand for?


    Your millage may very

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    Well, at my age , weight savings is important, but so is all equipment being very dependable.

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    From what I read there is a problem manufacturing a Y stake in Titanium because of the soldering involved.
    I have similar V Ti stakes to the Vargo ones, they feel stronger than similar sized Al versions but not as strong as Al Y stakes.

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    Do you know your pack base weight?

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    Don't have everything yet but I think between 11# and 13#.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Franco View Post
    From what I read there is a problem manufacturing a Y stake in Titanium because of the soldering involved.
    I have similar V Ti stakes to the Vargo ones, they feel stronger than similar sized Al versions but not as strong as Al Y stakes.
    I believe the y-stakes are actually extruded aluminum. And, therein lies the problem. Extruding titanium in a y shape....hell...extruding titanium PERIOD is a rather mammoth undertaking....something like 2000 TONS of pressure at some incredibly high temp...only for missiles, spacecraft, etc...

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    For me , they must work in all conditions since I plan to start AT March 1,2019 and take about 6months to finish.

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    That's very good . You don't save very much weight on tent stakes. It's the big four pack, shelter , sleep bag and seep pad can save lots weight.

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    Get some of each and test them. Plenty of time for training and shake-down cruises with 2.17 years until the start date.

    I have a Zpacks Duplex and use Ground Hogs for the ridge line and the Lawson's Ti shepherd hooks, linked above (best Ti shepherd hooks ever) for the rest.

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    That sounds pretty good.

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    Are the shepherd hooks you use the 6.5" or the 8.5"?

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    I use the 6.5's but I could see the purpose in the 8.5's...

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    I love titanium shepherd hooks but I think it is due to my geographical location in New england with hard and rocky soil. The thinness is an asset as I can lean on them and they slide into the hard ground often finding a way between rocks underground.
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    Quote Originally Posted by methodman View Post
    I like the idea of the gutter spikes. Sounds as if they would be superior to the shepherds hooks. Have you ever weighed one to see how many grams they are?
    I did one, but forgot. I believe they were a few grams heavier than a Ti hook stake, but much fatter. Unlike a Easton peg, they are one piece so the had can't fall off. On downside is they can be hard to pull sometimes as there is not much to grab hold of. I've heard of people drilling a hold through the top and looping a short piece of cord through to give something to grab hold of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by methodman View Post
    For me , they must work in all conditions since I plan to start AT March 1,2019 and take about 6months to finish.
    Iusedthem

    I used them (shepherd's hooks) for the entire AT. Yes they can be used, sometimes you need to help it by placing a rock over one or so, but it is never a problem.

    Depending on your tent you may want to have 1 or 2 Y's with you to hold the critical points.

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    That sounds like an excellent idea. I will certainly try that first. Thank you.

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    Mixture of stakes is your best bet.
    A few easton nails, some ti hooks (I like dutch), a ti nail just because, a ground hog (found).
    Have yet to to find soil that few did not hold.

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    Oranges to oranges comparison Ti is stronger and light than Al

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    Only as light (or lighter) if the walls are thinner, otherwise at exactly the same size aluminium is lighter.

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